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To: Swordmaker
He could then rent time on his Computer assisted Machinery to finish the 80% lower, and also charged for his expertise as an advisor to assist the customer in assembling their own AR. Thus, the customer would meet the letter of the law in making their own gun. By billing it out that way, Roh would not then be the “manufacturer” of the firearm, but merely a retailer of the parts, a renter of machine and bench/tool time, and for his expertise as a technical advisor and trainer on how one can assemble a firearm, all perfectly legal to do. Thus, no crime, no time.

The ATF had already ruled that pushing the start button on a CNC does not qualify as a person finishing his own 80% lower, and that was not disputed in the court case. What was disputed was the definition of a firearm frame or receiver.

17 posted on 10/12/2019 1:11:56 PM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo
The ATF had already ruled that pushing the start button on a CNC does not qualify as a person finishing his own 80% lower

Wonder if they can draw a line. After all CNC machine operators aren't expected to be designers or mechanical engineers. There isn't a federal license required to operate CNC machinery either.

18 posted on 10/12/2019 1:30:43 PM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote...)
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To: Yo-Yo
The ATF had already ruled that pushing the start button on a CNC does not qualify as a person finishing his own 80% lower, and that was not disputed in the court case. What was disputed was the definition of a firearm frame or receiver.

No, they haven’t ruled any such thing. If the person using the machine owns or has rented the the tools to make the part, it doesn’t matter how it is used. They don’t have that authority to determine how a firearm is made by mere internal fiat regulation, which is one of the things this judge was going to rule, Yo-Yo. It has not been adjudicated. They cannot tell an individual WHAT tools HE is permitted to use in manufacturing his own firearm, that is not within their regulatory authority. if it were there would be nothing stopping them from prohibiting the use of lathes, machine tools, or even files. For the time that individual has rented that tool, it is his to use as he chooses within the purposes it is designed to do. That’s why I very specifically and carefully stated the CNC machinery and tools had to be rented to the customer for the time he worked on his gun, not just borrowed, and no matter how he used the tool, it would be the customer machining the 80% lower with his rented tools. That is well established in Contract law. It doesn’t matter how or where or from whom they were rented. But did you just choose to ignore my point? You’re just pulling that claim out of your nether regions.

22 posted on 10/12/2019 9:44:17 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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