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California Officials declare Ham Radio no longer a benefit
Off Grid Survival News ^ | October 10, 2019 | Off Grid Surival

Posted on 10/11/2019 6:36:35 AM PDT by AU72

The People’s Republic of California is at it again; through unelected state officials, California is severing ties to ham radio repeater owners throughout the state, jeopardizing the lives of millions of Californians who depend on these repeaters to operate during emergencies.

Last month, repeater operators were sent emails telling them the State would no longer allow them to operate repeaters on public land without paying substantial rental fees. In the letter sent by CAL FIRE, the state claims Ham operators no longer provide a benefit to the state or public safety. They claimed that “constantly changing technological advances” has made Ham radio obsolete during an emergency.

Keep in mind; this is a state that is currently shutting power down in 34 of its counties because its infrastructure cannot handle 20-30 mph winds without risking wildfire breakouts throughout the state.

What is infuriating here is people are going to die because of this decision. It costs the State of California nothing to allow these repeaters on public land; in fact, Ham Radio Operators pay for the equipment and maintain the equipment at their own cost. Ham Radio operators also make nothing from running these radio repeaters; they do so as a service to the public to help ensure the public’s safety during natural disasters and emergencies.

Here is a good explanation of what’s going on from a Ham Radio operator in California

While paying billions of dollars a year to cater to illegal immigrants and welfare bums, California is now targeting hard-working Ham operators who provide critical and vital Disaster Emergency Communications. These people have absolutely lost their minds!

There is a nationwide effort to Kill Ham Radio

My off the grid ham radio

Even most Hams haven’t taken notice, but in 2012 the federal government launched FirstNet, a public safety nationwide broadband network that many in the government think will make Ham radio operators obsolete. In reality, its nothing more than a $47 Billion Federal Cell Phone Network that itself is already obsolete. In fact, it needs LOTS of infrastructure to function, and it creates multiple, single points of failure.

The real story here is Ham Radio is a threat to the government. We make them look stupid! They spend billions on infrastructure that breaks down, while we can literally take a hundred bucks in equipment, some random wires, and in minutes set up a radio system that can communicate with anyone in the world. Hell, I’ve used my kid’s slinky, some Television Coax Cable, and a solar battery system to build a mobile rig that I’ve used to talk to people around the world — You can check out the Radio Rig Here.

They don’t want the public to realize that we can take care of ourselves, and do a much better and cheaper job doing so!


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; 1stnet; 2012; 201202; calizuela; cartelfornia; communications; firstnet; freedomofspeech; hamradio; informationcontrol; karlinyounger; repeaters; turdworldcali; waronfreedomofspeech; waronfreespeech; waronhamradio
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Calizuela Cautionary Tale Ping


121 posted on 10/11/2019 2:56:35 PM PDT by TADSLOS (You know why you can enjoy a day at the Zoo? Because walls work.)
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To: old-ager

How many do you happen to have right next door who can help you? Not everyone has one on every block.


122 posted on 10/11/2019 2:58:04 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: dragnet2

It’s self regulating with human nature just like everything. Listening to CB is pretty boring anymore because of this fact.


123 posted on 10/11/2019 3:01:40 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: AU72

“California officials.” hahaha!

Get your Ham licenses now.


124 posted on 10/11/2019 3:03:17 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("I've read the back of The Book, and we win.")
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To: Mogger

How about that, Honesty... a rare virtue.


125 posted on 10/11/2019 3:04:26 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: AU72

“John has a long mustache...”


126 posted on 10/11/2019 3:05:11 PM PDT by TADSLOS (You know why you can enjoy a day at the Zoo? Because walls work.)
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To: AU72

California is backwards so let them be happy and unable to communicate in a catastrophic emergency. They’ll have more time for sodomy.


127 posted on 10/11/2019 3:07:15 PM PDT by Vision (Obama corrupted, sought to weaken and fundamentally change America; he didn't plan on being stopped.)
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To: old-ager; dragnet2

Same words I have heard over and over for years and years. Not the whole spectrum, just a thin slice that can absolutely be ignored by anyone who wishes to ignore it just like most do with citizen band.

Now here is one for you... Do you have any idea how many ham operators come blast the citizen band to death with their (legal) wattage and ignorance? They have trouble makers in their group too, they cannot claim complete virtue and innocence in this.

Unfortunately the reality is they have a lot of arrogant bad apples in their ranks too.


128 posted on 10/11/2019 3:15:40 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind

Any American can get a license. If you want to compare this to 2A, coordination and strict range rules are heartily agreed to (and enforced, at unstaffed locations) by shooters. Strict cease-fire rules and many others. Limits on number of shooters per lane. Maximum caliber. Possibly rate of fire. Drawing from holster, or not. At indoor ranges, many more limitations.

Only one transmitter can be keyed at at time, on a channel (except in some advanced digital scenarios such as I mentioned - and even then, only so much information can be carried at a time, per channel). Access control and regulation are needed.

Traffic rules.

Try to cope with the situation as it is. When SHTF, be as courteous and virtuous as possible while you break the rules.


129 posted on 10/11/2019 3:17:08 PM PDT by old-ager
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To: Jimmy The Snake
I heard the NSA cannot monitor it.

Flat-out untrue. Licensed General Class here so I know what I'm talking about.

130 posted on 10/11/2019 3:22:57 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: IYAS9YAS
Divide the length you need for your antenna by the circumference of the slinky.

Not quite that easy. How far apart the slinky is pulled has an impact as well. (Been there, done that...)

131 posted on 10/11/2019 3:26:09 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: bigbob
Sure, just bootleg it. No prob.

Yep, there's plenty of you bootleggers out there acting like morons alright......

And here I actually WORKED to get my license. Are you on welfare mooching off the rest of us too?

132 posted on 10/11/2019 3:30:58 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

> NSA cannot monitor it.

Rumor started by Nellie Ohr!


133 posted on 10/11/2019 3:31:27 PM PDT by old-ager
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To: old-ager

But what they are doing is regulating the use of a tool that everyone should have the right to keep and bear and use when needed at our own personal discretion, not range rules. Again, not the whole spectrum, just one thin slice...

“Any American can get a license. If you want to compare this to 2A, coordination and strict range rules are heartily agreed to (and enforced, at unstaffed locations) by shooters. Strict cease-fire rules and many others. Limits on number of shooters per lane. Maximum caliber. Possibly rate of fire. Drawing from holster, or not. At indoor ranges, many more limitations.”

So if your range only allowed you to use one particular fire arm and only that one particular firearm unless you pay extortion fees to use anything you like that would be fair? So you can own a firearm but never discharge it ANYWHERE unless you have been approved to do so by the range and the government?

Yep, we need more of that self restricting mentality for sure in the 2nd amendment argument. No wonder this country is going to hell. No one is willing to stand up against unfair and unjust laws. Free communications are just as important as the right to keep and bear arms.


134 posted on 10/11/2019 3:36:11 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind
Have you ever been triangulated by the local club yet? They take this very seriously and make a competition out of finding an illegal transmitter operator within hours after they start transmitting.

Let me tell you exactly how good we are.

I once drove more than five hours to the suburbs just south of Cleveland from my home on the SW Side of Chicago for the express purpose of taking a twenty foot chunk out of some bootlegger a**holes antenna's coax because the twatdiddle jerk was jamming a net on 40 meters.

I took it while he was keyed up and knocked him off the air.

I then drove back home and posted a picture of his coiled up coax on my QRZ page. I wanted him to know exactly who took his cheap RG8 coax and showed the labeling on it as proof.

We never heard from his dumbass again.

That's how good we are.

135 posted on 10/11/2019 3:36:35 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

I was wondering about that. Also curious about transmit receive polarity.


136 posted on 10/11/2019 3:41:37 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Hugh the Scot
This is the reason that Amateur Radio has fallen out of favor with the deep state apparatchiks. It’s simply impossible to “hoover up” all of the radio traffic and sort it out... First you have to be where you can receive the signal. That eliminates any chance of 100% monitoring.

The FCC has monitoring stations throughout the country with sophisticated systems and highly directional antenna's. They can monitor anything on the ham bands at any time they choose. The problem is, their budget has been cut so much they sparsely even use those monitoring stations anymore and have left the amateur radio community to police itself.

137 posted on 10/11/2019 3:44:02 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Openurmind
Look at 10 meter, it is already screwed and havoc with general illegal use, yet the FCC and the radio clubs just won’t let go of that legal thumb on it. That legal thumb is just an ignored formality at this point anyhow with that band.

I could easily say the same about 40m and 75m. Just listen to any of us good ol' boys in the wee hours of the morning and you'll hear stuff that'll curl your hair.

That does NOT mean we surrender the bands to a bunch of law breaking punks. We just build bigger amps, run another 220v circuit and talk right over the top of the morons.

138 posted on 10/11/2019 3:46:37 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

Oh I know... I got located from a hundred miles away one time on commercial band that I had a license to use on handheld talkies. It blew me away, But they did indeed make the effort to come to the middle of nowhere to check and make sure I was not bootlegging that frequency. lol


139 posted on 10/11/2019 3:47:12 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Hugh the Scot
Love to see what the output signal from a 350 watt AM/FM Galaxy looks like on a spectrum analyzer.

SNORT!!! ROFLMAO!!! Based on the question I'm sure you already know, as do I.

140 posted on 10/11/2019 3:49:37 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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