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Is it just me or are some people getting a little too hung up on symbolism?
1 posted on 09/27/2019 2:07:56 AM PDT by equaviator
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Hey, let's start another rumor. This symbol is used as a secret identifier by NeoNazis and other white supremacist:


28 posted on 09/27/2019 5:11:09 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Self-haters gonna self-hate


29 posted on 09/27/2019 5:13:04 AM PDT by Phil DiBasquette
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To: equaviator; Salamander; Deplorable American1776; Yo-Yo; Chickensoup; escapefromboston; spiderpig; ..
I have to disagree with you there, equaviator, but only to a degree.

One of the mistakes we have made on our side is to discount the use of symbolism and icons as a tool.

To a degree, I understand perfectly how and why conservatives like us dismiss it: we simply believe in being straightforward, saying what we mean, and meaning what we say. To us, there is much about symbolism that seems, well...wasteful and frivolous to us.

But it is clear to me we don't feel that way about all symbols. At a gut level, I think we do understand the power of symbolism. Look at how many of us view the symbolism of the American flag.

Leftists view it as Michelle and Barack Obama do with their "All this for a flag" deriding of a flag covered casket. They view the American flag as a symbol of oppression and greed.

We view that symbolism quite differently. We view it as the POWs in the Hanoi Hilton did, willing to risk their lives to sew together a flag and covertly say the Pledge of Allegiance (another powerful symbol) in front of it in their grimy prison cells. They understood the symbolism behind that flag sewn together from pieces of ripped cloth. And when the owner of the flag was discovered and beaten to within an inch of his life by his captors and his flag taken away, he began immediately to make another one even though his eyes were nearly swollen shut by the beating.

Those guys valued that flag because of its symbolism. Me, when I see an American flag, I think of my father being buried under it in Arlington. I think of myself about a US Navy ship at sea, looking up and seeing it flying far above the flight deck. I see it in the shoulder patch of every Marine lined up outside a house in Fallujah waiting to break the door down to clear out the house. I think of how beautiful that flag must have been to people liberated from the Nazis.

That is the way you and I see the symbolism of the flag. So I think we DO understand it.

But I think where we conservatives fall short is in understanding how powerful a tool symbolism is to influence and yes...manipulate people who don't even think about symbols but whose main part in all this is simply to be influenced unconsciously by them. Symbolism is VERY important, and very powerful, too. You might appreciate this excellent short video "The Power and Danger of Iconography" (8 minutes)

The Left understands the power of symbols on the "proletariat" (to use their term) and exploits it at every chance they get to contribute in the achievement of their Leftist goals, and successfully, too.

I find this infuriating in their control (through the Leftist Media) of both symbols and language. They appropriate both of them and twist them to their own ends (much as they do with things like the "OK" hand sign. The word "gay". The symbol of the rainbow. Their control of what the current correct nomenclature is to describe people racially, sexually, culturally, etc.

They change this nomenclature on a seemingly daily basis, and they do it deliberately. We don't pay as much attention to this, and as a result, are constantly being accused and called out for using insensitive or politically incorrect terms, simply because that isn't as important to us as it is to them, so we don't follow the changes in terminology, what is accepted, what is prohibited.

And that is no accident on the part of the Left. The Homosexual Movement is rife with examples which I related above, and being a wholly leftist construct, it isn't surprising.

On a humorous note, one of my favorite examples of the power of symbolism and the unintentional use (or mis-use) of them is this:

I am relating it from memory so I might not remember it perfectly, but I do believe this was also featured in the excellent movie "Churchill" where he came out of a building after a contentious meeting, and was being abused by his opponents and the press, and as he climbed into the car, flashed this sign. Seemed innocent enough, the victory sign.

When his secretary came into work, people were huddled around newspapers, grinning and snickering. When she asked what was going on, they showed her the picture on the front fold which showed Churchill giving the backwards victory sign to the gaggle of reporters. She gasped in astonishment.

When she saw him, somehow the subject came up where Churchill wanted to know what everyone was tittering about (he hadn't seen the paper) and when she showed him, he was puzzled. He thought he had just given the victory sign. In his upper social circle, apparently knowledge of that hand gesture was not as widespread, talked about, or used as it was in her lower social circle.

When he asked why people thought it was funny and why they were talking about it, his young, very pretty, prim, proper, and now furiously blushing secretary had to explain to him that it meant something about "sticking it up your backside".

As I recall reading the account Churchill, looked at her in puzzlement, but as it sunk in, he grinned broadly and had a good laugh, thinking the affair was a wonderful thing!

That's a man who fought...and I would use his same gesture towards the media today!

30 posted on 09/27/2019 5:53:46 AM PDT by rlmorel (Trump to China: This Capitalist Will Not Sell You the Rope with Which You Will Hang Us.)
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Thumbs Up and the Texas Longhorn's pinkie/thumb are next.

Janey-Fly-Good-LARGE

31 posted on 09/27/2019 6:11:15 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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35 posted on 09/27/2019 7:07:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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https://www.expatinfodesk.com/blog/2011/08/02/5-innocent-hand-gestures-that-can-land-you-in-hot-water-overseas/


37 posted on 09/27/2019 7:11:18 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/bowl-cut-white-supremacist-symbol-890888/

How the Bowl Cut Became a White Supremacist Symbol
The oft-mocked haircut has now become shorthand for a particularly violent strain of far-right extremism

(snip)

Related? ;o)


38 posted on 09/27/2019 7:14:10 AM PDT by maggief
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Well, I guess all of the folks that practice yoga, or meditation, or are Buddhists, according to “ the jewish anti-defamation league”, are ‘white supremacists! Maybe they should look in Buddha’s shorts? They might have to print a retraction?


44 posted on 09/27/2019 10:53:59 AM PDT by Terry L Smith (.)
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To: equaviator; Salamander; Destroyer Sailor; Deplorable American1776; Yo-Yo; Tired of Taxes; ...
Warning:

White Liberal "Elites" who murder conservative children signal each other by scratching their heads. Look for the signals... it could save your child's life...

(very similar to the OK sign the Southern Poverty Law Center has identified as outing 'white supremacists' - except 'head scratches' out liberal elite killers) ----- Watch for it - stay safe.)

50 posted on 12/16/2019 3:50:12 PM PST by GOPJ (White Liberal "Elites" who murder conservative children signal each other by scratching their heads.)
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