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And yet, the New York Times still uses dead trees.
1 posted on 09/21/2019 2:13:35 AM PDT by Libloather
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“Degrowth”: re-distribution of poverty through socialism.


33 posted on 09/21/2019 4:52:15 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: Libloather
Degrowth is a planned reduction of total energy and material use to bring the economy in line with planetary boundaries, while improving people’s lives by distributing income and resources more fairly.

It's too early for comedy for me. I'm still on my first cup of coffee...

35 posted on 09/21/2019 5:05:18 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Libloather

What are the “peak planet” planetary boundaries exactly?


36 posted on 09/21/2019 5:05:57 AM PDT by Phil DiBasquette
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To: Libloather

“Science” can die, is what “science” can do.


39 posted on 09/21/2019 5:28:26 AM PDT by chris37 (Monday, March 25 2019 is Maga Day!)
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To: Libloather
This is totally phony pseudo science that is going to justify the most massive miss allocation of resources in the history of the world

This philosophy is built on a totally false assumption that is the opposite of true reality and basing public policy on this philosophy will result an inability to sustain the worlds growing population.

The result will be massive depopulation when the system becomes unsustainable via the approach pioneered by Joseph Stalin in the Ukraine

BTW, if you really, truly believe cutting carbon emissions is a crisis vital to saving humanity, then solar cells and wind turbines are an existential threat to the survival of humanity because that would mean that solar cells and wind turbines supercharge global warming and push climate change into overdrive.

This is because it takes significantly more energy ( ie tons of coal burned) to manufacture the current generation of solar cells and most wind turbines than these devices will generate over their predicted 20 year life cycles ( which not all meet, BTW).

In other words, you have to burn 2 tons of coal in one year to manufacture a solar array that will produce the cumulative equivalent electricity produced one ton of coal over its 20 year life - if the solar array actually manages to live that long.

So the choice in power generation between coal fired power generation and solar cells is effectively to burn 2 TONS of coal with massive carbon dioxide emissions in one year , or burn 50 POUNDS of coal per year with 1/40 the carbon dioxide emissions to supply the same amount of coal fired power produced by that solar array .

Since carbon dioxide gas is part of the Biological Carbon Cycle ( not taught in PC schools these days because it destroys the narrative) it is much easier for the environment to recycle the CO2 generated by burning 50 lbs of coal per year than it is to deal with the burning of the 2 tons in one tear that it takes to manufacture the solar array

Bottom line - solar power releases about forty times more CO2 into the atmosphere per kilowatt upfront and twice as much over 20 years as a coal fired power plant so if CO2 emissions are an existential threat then coal fired power plants are the solution to saving the planet

More so because most solar cells are made in China using power from some of the dirtiest and most inefficient coal fired plants on earth - many of them were crappy and obsolete plants transplanted from the old Warsaw Pact countries after the collapse of the Soviet Union . That’s just the tip of the iceberg on the ecological disaster of unregulated toxic cell production in China

Totally serious about this and even the most basic thermodynamic analysis proves this beyond any doubt

It was literally my Engineering 101 class back in the day. Class was taught by a fairly brilliant and well rounded thermodynamics Prof who wanted to point out the basic fallacy and unworkability of the proposed solutions to the manufactured “ oil crisis” which soon evolved into a full scale “energy crisis” back in the day when we were similarly hoaxed into believing the mass delusion that the world was in imminent threat of running out of fossil fuels

Yup, we were all told we were going to freeze, starve and die back then because we were told we faced the existential threat of running out sources of energy - despite the fact that there was undeniable proof we had enough known coal reserves to last for several hundred years and that coal could be converted to fuels by the Fischer -Tropsch process. We also knew that both were irrelevant because Nuclear power was a far more efficient and cost effective way to produce power than dirty, polluting smoke stack coal plants

And yet we were being told by our leaders that we were all facing an existential energy crisis and we were doomed unless we “did something” . Nobody knew exactly what that something was, but they did know that it was absolutely vital that something be done straight away. If we did not absolutely do that “something” right away, terrible things would happen and the world would enter a new dark age

The people who are driving policy are fully aware of the truth of this basic reality which demonstrates that they are also fully aware that the carbon scare is a hoax and that the true agenda is not about saving the planet from some imagined carbon driven climate crisis

They are also just as fully aware that the “Green Economy” is an unworkable fraud based on a fundamentally false premise that converting to solar cells and wind turbines eliminates burning of fissile fuels.

Not only do solar cells and wind turbines not eliminate the burning of fossil fuels, they vastly increase the burning of coal and natural gas for the very simple and patently obvious fact that coal or gas fired power plants produce the energy that is used to manufacture solar cells and wind turbines.

The day you see policy makers advocating a massive commitment to a crash program to convert the worlds economy to next generation technology nuclear power plants is the day you will know that carbon dioxide driven global warming is actually a real threat

40 posted on 09/21/2019 5:39:15 AM PDT by rdcbn ( Referentia)
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“improving people’s lives by distributing income and resources more fairly”

Yeah, that usually results in some pretty heavy duty “degrowth”.


41 posted on 09/21/2019 5:39:49 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (Chuck Schumer--giving pond scum everywhere a bad name.)
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To: Libloather

And yet none of these folks will say that one obvious way to implement degrowth is to stop immigration from 3rd World to 1st world countries. That is the best path to achieve their goals and yet no one will propose it.


42 posted on 09/21/2019 5:43:51 AM PDT by BRL
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To: Libloather

btt


43 posted on 09/21/2019 5:55:39 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY (The media is corrupt)
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I say every tree hugger, every meat hater, every wacko who begs forgiveness from plants, every pronoun user, every dickchopper, every headchopper, go right ahead with the degrowth. Start by sterilizing yourself so you don’t spread your insane genes. Then reduce your intake of protein until you get your nourishment like a plant does. (Stand out in the sun with your feet in the ground.)


45 posted on 09/21/2019 6:02:47 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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Degrowth is Africanization, Mugabe style


46 posted on 09/21/2019 6:07:02 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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Degrowth is a planned reduction of total energy and material use to bring the economy in line with planetary boundaries, while improving people’s lives by distributing income and resources more fairly. …
“When the war is over, in the world’s social revolution that will be followed by a more equitable distribution of the earth’s riches, due account must be kept of the sacrifices and of the discipline maintained by the Italian workers.”

— Benito Mussolini
The Irish Slimes unashamedly publishes fascist propaganda.
47 posted on 09/21/2019 6:20:27 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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Sounds like another commie word maze designed to do nothing but attract liberal supporters.


48 posted on 09/21/2019 6:22:43 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Chivalry is not dead. It is a warriors code and only practiced by warriors.)
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while improving people’s lives by distributing income and resources more fairly.

...and that's where I stopped reading. Will the Leftists ever run out of ways to take what they haven't earned?

52 posted on 09/21/2019 6:44:13 AM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (A law means nothing if it isnÂ’t followed.)
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To: Libloather

“...improving people’s lives by distributing income and resources more fairly.”

And there it is.


53 posted on 09/21/2019 7:05:14 AM PDT by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: Libloather

I’m all for degrowth especially when it demands nutsy enviro climate change liberal vegans stop exhaling CO2.


54 posted on 09/21/2019 7:21:54 AM PDT by bgill
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Ah, the No-Growth movement of the 70s returns

Only applies to Whitey

Everyone else gets to pollute they azzes off


55 posted on 09/21/2019 7:42:46 AM PDT by Regulator
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This is an excellent resource. It has 50 years of the most dire climate predictions, starting with the “ICE AGE” in the 70s. Lots of visuals and easy to read. I have been having a lot of success posting this whenever I see a post touting climate destruction on social media.

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions

Thank to, http://freerepublic.com/~truebelieverforever/


57 posted on 09/21/2019 8:54:08 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The line that separates satire and Democrats and Stupidity has vanished. (thanks to jonascord)!)
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To: Libloather; Ancient Man; ronnie raygun; Mount Athos; FreedomPoster; Governor Dinwiddie; kabar; ...

LIST OF DOOMSDAY PREDICTIONS THE CLIMATE ALARMIST GOT WRONG:

1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
1970: Ice Age By 2000
1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
1972: New Ice Age By 2070
1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
1974: Another Ice Age?
1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life
1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes
1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend
1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015
2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 90s
1980: Peak Oil In 2000
1996: Peak Oil in 2020
2002: Peak Oil in 2010
2006: Super Hurricanes!
2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
1970s: Killer Bees!

Sorry, Experts… Sorry, Scientific Consensus… Only a fool comes running for the 42nd cry of wolf.

List ‘experts’ got right:

ZERO

https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2019/09/20/nolte-climate-experts-are-0-41-with-their-doomsday-predictions/

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions


58 posted on 09/21/2019 9:00:13 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Daniel Okrent HELP - lowlife editors at the New York Times need YOU... they've lost their way.)
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To: Libloather

“Degrowth is a planned reduction of total energy and material use to bring the economy in line with planetary boundaries”

There are two problems at the base of that statement.

The definition of just what those boundaries are is not scientific nor is there a proven method for determining them. Just remember back to the 1970s when the same kind of people said they had convincing evidence that by the year 2000 we would be unable to feed the world and mass starvation would be increasing. Is that what happened?

Those who buy into the theory are not motivated by trying to save either the planet or humanity. Buying into the theory is a means of using the theory for political agendas, not improvement of the world or humananity.


59 posted on 09/21/2019 11:14:31 AM PDT by Wuli
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Go sit on a high-speed rotary porcupine.

AGW is a monstrous f*cking LIE.

Even if it WERE true, China creates more CO2 than the US and the E.U. put together.

Not to mention India.

61 posted on 09/21/2019 1:28:35 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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