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Opinion: Iran’s brazenness is paying off, giving the U.S. few options
Marketwatch ^ | Sept 17, 2019 11:04 a.m. ET | Reva Goujon

Posted on 09/20/2019 5:01:01 AM PDT by Zhang Fei

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To: Jim Noble
The President has never had authority to take the States and the People to a pre-emptive war.

Wrong. The War Powers Act of 1973 gives the President that power.

It's basic commonsense that President has to have the power to act to an immediate threat.

41 posted on 09/20/2019 9:56:44 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

This is not an immediate threat. Not even close.


42 posted on 09/20/2019 10:13:43 AM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: Jim Noble
If Iran makes any attack on anything American or develops nukes, it becomes a eminent threat to national security.

But, you're the guy that thinks the Iranians should be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

43 posted on 09/20/2019 10:19:39 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

It’s not up to me or my country what other countries “should be allowed to do”.

That’s a formula for perpetual war, and our people are sick of it.

Iran is a direct threat to Israel and to Saudi Arabia. If Iran has to be neutralized those countries have the means to do so.


44 posted on 09/20/2019 10:22:19 AM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: Jim Noble
It’s not up to me or my country what other countries “should be allowed to do”.

That is precisely Valerie Jarrett said. And, that sure as hell is not what I voted for.

It's beyond ridiculous to let a country like Iran, which would use nukes without provocation, to have such power.

Literally, your position is no different than the far left. And, just like with "compassionate conservatism", that mentality would destroy the Republican party if Iran killed thousands of Americans because of it.

45 posted on 09/20/2019 11:40:43 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Jim Noble
https://news.gallup.com/poll/265640/americans-war-iran.aspx

Suppose U.S. economic and diplomatic efforts do not work. If that happens, do you think the United States should -- or should not -- take military action against Iran?

Republicans/leaners: 60% yes. Democrats/leaners: 68% no.

46 posted on 09/20/2019 11:47:31 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Jim Noble
Iran getting nukes would be an immediate threat to national and world security.

If they kill Americans, we have an obligation to retaliate.

Did you favor Obama's deal with Iran or was too tough on Iran to you?

47 posted on 09/20/2019 11:49:22 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Jim Noble

President is commander in chief.
Iran will use the nuclear weapons and give other countries the weapons to use.

Trump needs to stop Iran and jail the obamas and clintons and the other crooks or our way of life is over.


48 posted on 09/20/2019 2:20:31 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Kazan

“they kill Americans, we have an obligation to retaliate”

Correct.

And if they don’t?


49 posted on 09/20/2019 2:51:29 PM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: minnesota_bound

“President is commander in chief“

And who raises the Army and provides for the Navy?
Why did Congress find it necessary to direct FDR to use the Army and the Navy to wage war against Japan?


50 posted on 09/20/2019 2:56:19 PM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: Kazan

“Which every President has used since 1973.”

Which every president has ignored since 1973 since the war powers act does not stop the president from dispatching troops into combat. It only makes it required for a 48 hour warning and they will not stay for more than the allotted time. It’s a loophole. Vietnam, Kosovo, Korea...and many more locations have had our boots on the ground and/or birds in the air dropping without congressional approval. So there is nothing in the Constitution to stop a president from sending troops into combat. Only how long they can stay.

And over the past 30 years that has been ignored also. They even have been awarding medals for service. For Iraq, they created the Iraq Service Medal during the Bush administration. They also awarded purple hearts to injured soldiers during non-war declared scenarios along with other decorations. So these campaigns not under war conditions have been turned into war conditions by executive order as far back as 1984. So the thinking is that if it is shot at you, it is a war.

rwood


51 posted on 09/20/2019 4:48:34 PM PDT by Redwood71
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To: Jim Noble
And if they don’t?

We don't have to wait for the Iranians to use nuclear weapons if they obtain them because those running Iran are crazy enough to use them without provocation.

52 posted on 09/20/2019 6:00:15 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: buckalfa

Thank you.


53 posted on 09/21/2019 1:49:18 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: Kazan
If they kill Americans, we have an obligation to retaliate.

Problem is if they (the real bad guys) kinda, sorta help facilitate Americans getting killed, they can count on people with this mindset to believe in this "obligation to retaliate".

It gives a lot of license to do a lot of bad things that make a small amount of people very rich and does untold damage.

Our problems are right here in the lower 48. As it stands we are turning into a Brazil/South Africa hybrid with a lot of capabilities a Brazil should never have.

Sorry, it's the truth.

54 posted on 09/21/2019 6:09:54 AM PDT by riri
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To: riri

The president is destroying Iran with out firing a shot

Iran can’t retaliate effectively

Iran is losing.....big time


55 posted on 09/21/2019 6:21:59 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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