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Another California City Bans Natural Gas In New Construction Projects
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| 09/19/2019
| Jazz Shaw
Posted on 09/19/2019 8:21:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Despite the fact that natural gas is the cleanest of the fossil fuels hands down (and now the cheapest), liberals continue to oppose it. The “keep it in the ground” folks scored another victory this week when the city of San Jose California voted to ban natural gas lines and appliances in all new construction projects going forward. This is allegedly part of the state-mandated goal of going 100% “carbon-free” by 2045. Of course, as with all things, the devil is in the details. (CBS San Francisco)
San Jose became the biggest U.S. city to ban natural gas in new construction projects as the city council unanimously approved the proposal Tuesday evening.
The so-called reach code targets appliances that use natural gasstoves, water heaters and furnaces in buildings. The city says these appliances accounts for one-third of greenhouse gas emissions.
The passed ordinance will ban natural gas in the construction of new accessory dwelling units, new single family homes and new low rise and multifamily buildings.
San Jose may be the largest city to do this so far, but they’ hardly the first. Berkeley voted to do the same thing earlier this year to loud cheers from the environmentalist community. (But that’s Berkeley we’re talking about, so what did you expect?) They still have a lot of questions to answer, however, with all the pesky science nagging at their heals.
Consider the fact that their entire theory runs on “electrification.” In addition to the natural gas ban, this same legislation will mandate that all new housing be built with outlets in the parking areas for people to recharge their electric cars. The theory here is that people without access to charging stations will be less likely to buy an electric car, and California wants everyone using those soon.
So now, all of the appliances, including furnaces, stoves, water heaters and all the rest, will be electric. And the buildings will have electric outlets where people charge their vehicles. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that a considerable increase in the load on the electrical grid is coming. And where does California get their electricity? More than half of it comes from… wait for it... natural gas-fired plants.
To get rid of the natural gas plants when you’ve already banned coal plants, you’ve only got a few choices. Hydro is good, but California isn’t exactly brimming with water. (They get about 12% of their energy from hydro and they’re nearly maxed out.) Nuclear would be perfect, but they’re phasing that out too. (That’s another 9% they’re getting ready to lose.) That pretty much leaves them with solar and wind, which accounts for roughly 24% of their current power generation. Do you really think you can go from there to 100% in a decade or two?
And in the meantime, until they shut the natural gas plants down, they’ll actually wind up burning more natural gas to create all this juice while they “electrify” everything. It’s so brilliant on paper and yet so stupid at the bottom line. Still, they’re going to keep pushing to shut down the rest of their energy generation capacity.
But hey, San Jose. You do you. Feel free to freeze in the dark.
TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; construction; naturalgas; sanjose
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To: rlmorel
It’s spreading east too. Our illustrious ‘leaders’ put in on the ballot as an initiative in NV and now we are required by law to obtain 50% of the states energy by renewables by 2035. Not sure what the consequences of not making it are. But, pretty sure it ain’t gonna happen. Passed mostly by folks in Las Vegas. The rest of us sad sacks, well too bad for us. :-)
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posted on
09/19/2019 8:52:40 AM PDT
by
rktman
( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
To: SeekAndFind
So appliances that use gas are banned. Thus, electric appliances are the alternative. Do these morons not know, or care, where the electricity comes from? Either gas fired or coal fired electrical generation plants. SMH.
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posted on
09/19/2019 8:58:50 AM PDT
by
Bloody Sam Roberts
(Elitist Liberals have no idea the hunger and strength of the beast they have uncaged.)
To: workerbee; Army Air Corps
That is one of the greatest ideas I have ever seen O_O
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posted on
09/19/2019 9:04:10 AM PDT
by
KC_Lion
To: Bloody Sam Roberts
...on an already strained electricity grid. Next they’ll only allow electric vehicles and wonder why they keep getting brown outs.
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posted on
09/19/2019 9:07:21 AM PDT
by
fuzzylogic
(welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
To: rktman
On another thread I just posted about how Vermont mandates 99% renewable by 2050.
I think their goal is to drive out anyone who uses energy to meet that goal.
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posted on
09/19/2019 9:13:53 AM PDT
by
rlmorel
(Trump to China: This Capitalist Will Not Sell You the Rope with Which You Will Hang Us.)
To: SeekAndFind
Great news!! More natural gas for us normal people in Florida... 😋
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posted on
09/19/2019 9:20:43 AM PDT
by
Deplorable American1776
(Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
To: SeekAndFind
This is the same city that ordered the cops to stand down when MAGA people were being assaulted outside a Trump rally in 2016.
They’ll get what they deserve.
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posted on
09/19/2019 9:28:42 AM PDT
by
bkopto
To: SeekAndFind
Let’s see, I can heat the air in my house at the point of use with natural gas and do so with a 97% efficient gas furnace. Or natural gas can be burned at a far away power station whereby 60% of the btu’s are lost in conversion from turning water into steam, and steam into a turbine, and then creating electricity, where 6% is lost in line transmissions and then even more is lost when the electricity is converted into heat again via an electric heat pump, or base board heaters or cadet heaters. They’ll have to generate 3 times more power for every unit of electricity that replaces natural gas. Freaking geniuses there.
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posted on
09/19/2019 9:42:54 AM PDT
by
rednesss
(fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power)
To: SeekAndFind
Our energy supply is like a cake. All wind and solar can ever be is the frosting.
To: SeekAndFind
Our energy supply is like a cake. All wind and solar can ever be is the frosting.
To: SeekAndFind
As an engineer and contractor in the state of California has been dealing with homeowners for about 30 years now heres some simple math
for in terms of the cost of heating water or air in the winter one kilowatt hour cost about a quarter one therm is 100,000 BTUs one therm is about one dollar
one therm equals about 30 kWh
in other words it cost about eight times as much to heat space or heat water using Electricity versusnatural gas
Furthermore approximately 60% of the power in the state of California comes from natural gas
to do and so in essence if youre using electricity youre using 15% efficient natural gas power plants ( Studied the Canot efficiency) generate your electricity right through all kinds of transformers and powerlines to get to your house with all those losses
and then youre using a source which is eight times as expensive
way to go to California!
You liberals here in the bay area are just so brilliant are you at saving the planet
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posted on
09/19/2019 9:47:55 AM PDT
by
Truthoverpower
(The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
To: SeekAndFind
San Jose used to be a relatively sane place to live, they used to arrest criminals, now they elect them to councils&committees.
One used to have options as to how one would live.
Nowadays, you vill obey ze ordinances or you vill be dealt with.
From White Elephant Glass Gubamint Pagodas to more homeless thatn anyone would like to admit or witness, the sleepy little village, now run by GooGle&corps ain’t what it used to be.
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posted on
09/19/2019 10:13:03 AM PDT
by
NormsRevenge
(Semper Fi - Monthly Donors Rock!!!)
To: NormsRevenge
Unless you can get the whole valley to jump on the bandwagon, it won’t work. The San Jose area is a megalopolis now with several communities abutting each other. If San Jose is onerous to a developer it can simply build across the street which is in another city jurisdiction.
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posted on
09/19/2019 10:58:51 AM PDT
by
caseinpoint
(Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
To: old curmudgeon
Those are the groups that suffer now. I just paid a $600 electric bill. And some peoples are more.
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posted on
09/19/2019 11:05:05 AM PDT
by
sheana
To: DanielRedfoot
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posted on
09/19/2019 11:32:11 AM PDT
by
Windflier
(Torches and pitchforks ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
To: SeekAndFind
Its easy to commit acts of evil against people when you can convince them that its for their own good and get them to demand that you do it to them.
This story is also a good example of how telling the truth is in fact a lie because the small truth is used to obscure the great lie behind it. Sometimes its a lie of manipulation used to get the populace used to a way of thinking, arrive at a consensus that prepositions their thinking, before the other shoe drops.
This is the point where we are supposed to distract ourselves with others opinions. Well, I dont like the idea of explosive gasses being pumped into my house. It just doesnt seem like a good idea if it can be avoided. This is the part where you argue that there are safeties built in and I say that I want to heat with a wood stove and then you point out that they are banned in many communities etc....but this isnt rwally about that is it? Just arguing minutiae.
Then maybe we can bicker over it as a community concern. First I say that its not safe in earthquake prone dry areas and endangers the community and you say but yhere are safties. Now I offer a fake fig leaf and say its the American right to choose to use it but if a community gets together and chooses not to use it then we should respect that. You point out something logical about the need for preplanning a complicated system. I say something like its safer and none of that is necessary if the gas is just brought to the plant...this isnt really about rights and community planning.
Natural gas. We should argue about fossil fuels. You say its our energy and ceates jobs. Ill complain that these oil companies are primarily owned and run by the kind of scumbags that would ally with a Bush and manipulate the market to screw consumers. Now you say thats maybe so but at least its not money going to scumbags in Saudi Arabia or Iran.
Are we really understanding though? Cant see the forest for the trees maybe. Im sure we arent supposed to notice that a veritable Legion of Doom of the worlds most evil rich and powerful has assembled as the board of BEV. Good thing theyre green. Hey, speaking of green, did you notice that Branson is pulling in favors to start solar projects? Have you heard much about the Clintons and friends (like Epstein) being the beneficiaries of a international slush fund that plans to connect the Carribean in a vast solar energy network? (Those amazing Clintons, is there anything they cant do?) Are these mega investors prepositioning themselves for something. Does the petrodollar really have stage IV? Why the stomping of crypto-currencies while talking about reforming or deleting the Fed? Why are other nations buying so much gold? Talk of returning to a hard backed currency...
This is a poison crumb thrown to squabbling chickens while someone is making off wth the whole loaf.
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posted on
09/19/2019 12:51:45 PM PDT
by
gnarledmaw
(Hive minded liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
To: Windflier
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posted on
09/19/2019 12:54:58 PM PDT
by
5th MEB
(Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
To: caseinpoint
San Jose is going to eventually be a city state county all mashed into one like San Fran. It already claims to be the capital of a mess of communities all claiming a piece of the history of the dusty old valley. There is construction activity galore occurring all across the valley. Not sure city leaders have a clue but I’d wager they all got fat campaign coffers after selling downtown SJ to the high bidders of techdom. Who needs natgas when you have gasbags like them running things?
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posted on
09/19/2019 1:20:05 PM PDT
by
NormsRevenge
(Semper Fi - Monthly Donors Rock!!!)
To: SeekAndFind
“”And where does California get their electricity? More than half of it comes from
wait for it... natural gas-fired plants.””
I was going to ask what they’ll use for heating and cooking. Lots of luck, folks. Guess they’ll go back to bonfires and wood stoves?
To: SeekAndFind
How long before CA can be renamed “Agenda 21?”
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