Posted on 09/16/2019 9:29:33 PM PDT by Cronos
...The Luxembourg prime minister did not hold back. The leave campaign had been built on lies, he said. Johnson’s oft-repeated claims of progress in the talks were baseless. London had come up with nothing to replace the backstop.
the UK was to blame for the impasse. “I just want to repeat and remind that Theresa May accepted the withdrawal agreement,” he said. Britain’s “homemade” problems were causing “general problems” for the whole of the EU.
This was barely concealed anger at the disingenuous game being played by the British government.
..There are grave doubts, after his suspension of parliament and failure to advance any concrete proposals, that the prime minister wants a deal at all – and, should one be achieved, that he could get it through parliament.
as Bettel’s exasperation made clear, officials in Brussels, and leaders in national capitals, are running out of patience
Many now dread the prospect, remote as it may seem, of a second referendum. “Why on earth would you want a country so bitterly and hopelessly divided to stay?” asked one diplomat. “The wounds are going to last generations. How damaging would that be to Europe? Come back, maybe – but leave and sort things out first.”
The EU27 members do not trust Johnson, but many have little confidence in Jeremy Corbyn or in the quarrelsome tribes of remainers either. Certainly, they would rather have a deal: no one wants to be seen to have helped the UK jump off a cliff.
But that deal clearly cannot come at any cost. Twenty-six member states will, first, never abandon Ireland when it insists on the need for an operable backstop because, despite the clout of Germany and France, the EU remains a club of small countries, most with populations smaller than 10 million
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I wonder what Xavier’s husband (wife?) has to say.
The EU put up a bitter fight, to date.
The polling must stink for the EU
Who cares what Theresa May accepted? She is out of power and could not deliver anything. Any agreement with her is a dead letter.
Its hardly surprising the Yurps would whine that those who wanted to get out were the dishonest ones rather than their flunkies who wanted to remain in.
As far as the need for Britain to leave now, in that at least there can be some agreement. Do not agree to an extension once this deadline expires. Its as simple as that.
If you watched the clips of the tail-end of this UK-Lux meeting...Boris walked straight out, got into the car and left....no tidy-up speech as you have in 99-percent of this type meetings. The Lux ‘boss’? He blasted away on Boris. I suspect Boris did everything possible to insult the guy and the EU...virtually locking in no extension.
The EU-Brussels crowd itself might find some reason to extend them...but if you leave this to the 27 members, I think half of them are lacking any reason to extend this another three months.
the very very best possible thing for UK is to get the Helll out of the EU! ASAP!
smooth or rough, get your independence, your country back!
there will undoubtably be some adjustments pro and con, up and down....but your freedom is far far far more important imho
Do you have time to shill for the EU?
There is a war for you to go support...
Talk about a bunch of drama queens. Kick the UK out if you want them gone, that way Johnson can get on with things. World leaders too arrogant and shortsighted to realize that once one of the worlds strongest economies is no longer there to prop up their scheme, it’ll start to sink. Too arrogant and shortsighted to see that if/when Brexit happens and the UK signs a bi-lateral trade deal with the US, they’ll be left out in the cold and their union will start to crumble.
If President Trump is re-elected the EU is screwed.
The thing is that the other 27 CAN’T legally kick them out. The one holding the keys is the UK.
The UK decided on March 2017 that it would leave on March 31, 2019. The UK decided twice to ask for a delay.
Now the exit date is October 31. The other 27 can’t tell them to leave before that. They can’t tell them no to an extension, but then they would get the blame for the post-Brexit crash, which they don’t want
Note that Johnson said that a post-Brexit trade deal with the USA would take years.
you seem to be the one shillying for fake “conservatives” who call themselves Tories yet were the ones that legalised abortion and gay marriage
hmm? Since March the ball’s been in the UK’s court - it keeps asking for an extension but doesn’t bring any proposed changes. Note that after 55 days in office Boris hasn’t brought any proposed changes to the deal and hasn’t restarted negotiations
I’m thinking that country’s, that were more or less forced to join, are seeing that there’s an option: President Donald J Trump.
They were told that the union would create a stronger trading bloc and position and all would be right with the world. What did they get? An invasion from the 3rd world, threats if they made a peep about it, edicts from unelected members telling them what to do, and insane levels of corruption.
The President has stated that he’s willing to enter into a trade agreement with damn near any country, as long as it’s FAIR. If they want, free, they’ll get it, as long as American made products can flow freely into their countries, as well. It ain’t brain science. It never was.
She represented the UK. the deal was signed by the uk
Yes, it is time for England and Wales to leave the EU. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to stay, so let them stay, but England+Wales out - MEWGA - Make England-Wales Grape Again!
I suspect Boris did everything possible to insult the guy and the EU...You are saying PM Boris Johnson is an ass-clown.
She is out of office and could not get her surrender treaty passed. It is of no effect.
ha!
i am too far away to understand the Scottish thing...
they’d be far far better off OUT of EU but...as you say.
my thought is that they’d be foolish
if they want to stay under the Fourth Reich’s thumb ...
There are some interesting things to know. Knowing some of these things helps to explain just how Great Britain finds itself with such a perplexing problem.
An Irish war of independence resulted in an Irish Republic separate from the UK in 1922. The counties making up Northern Ireland were not included in the new republic and remained part of the UK.
Not everyone affected by the Treaty agreed with the partitioning of Ireland.
In 1973, despite some lack of agreement that Ireland should be partitioned, both the UK (including Northern Ireland) and the Republic of Ireland joined the EU, as two previously independent nations.
The Republic of Ireland joined the EU with a remarkable distinction that set it apart from other EU nations. Modifications to the treaties that created the EU could be approved by the governments of the member nations but the Republic of Ireland could only change those treaty agreements by referendum of the voters. This gave Irish voters a direct say in EU governance that other EU citizens lacked.
Now comes the tricky part.
In 1998, Great Britain and the Republic of Ireland signed the Good Friday Agreement to end the troubles in Ireland. One might ask, did the EU agree to the Good Friday Agreement? How could they not involve themselves in an agreement between two of their member states, each of which presumably had the power to leave the EU, that specified that there be no border controls between those two nations?
The answer, of course, is that EU nations do not believe in borders. They are globalists who believe that everybody should just get along and do what the government says to do.
At the very least, the EU should have insisted that Ireland and Great Britain could only join the EU if they agreed that if either one left the EU than both must leave. Allowing just one of them to leave the EU re-creates the very situation that the Good Friday Agreement was meant to solve.
From what I can learn, all the parties to the Brexit mess, including the EU, are getting what they deserve for having treated their national sovereignty with such disrespect.
Since the situation was a mess before Brexit, I don't see any way that it won't be a mess after Brexit.
If more knowledgeable people find that I have misunderstood some part of this I welcome correction.
I’m having trouble understanding, nor do I want to, why it’s so difficult. You’re either in or your out. I realize that there are some details that would need to be worked out, but at the end of the day, you’re in the EU and will abide by it’s agreed upon policies, or your not. I guess it’s like a next level, international Mafia-like thing.
They don’t want American products. They are convinced that we sell inferior chicken while France sells superior chickens. Why they can’t raise their own chicken is beyond me. And they’ve made it clear they don’t want Hershey’s Chocolate. Of course, Dairy Milk is not that much better but whatever...
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