Posted on 09/11/2019 10:27:39 PM PDT by Cronos
The DUP’s Jim Wells has revealed a possible shift in his party’s position on a “Northern Ireland-only backstop” agreement. Should it become official DUP policy, Wells’s revelation would mean the DUP has effectively accepted the backstop agreement. This is something it said it would never do.
His revelation came in a pre-recording of Stephen Nolan’s Top Table that goes out on BBC1 this evening, and in response to a statement from the host that “we would be living to EU rules, Jim”.
Shocking This is particularly shocking as the DUP has consistently opposed the backstop and “’special status’ for Northern Ireland” in Brexit negotiations. Yet even more shocking is that the DUP publicly and recently confirmed this opposition after meeting Boris Johnson on 10 September:
Its statement includes the line:
not one single Unionist MLA in the Northern Ireland Assembly supports it
But Jim Wells is a Unionist MLA in the Northern Ireland Assembly. And his statement is in keeping with the apparent softening of the DUP/Tory position, as reported by The Canary.
Hard-line loyalism can’t believe it This led to reaction from hard-line loyalism. And it showed the utter shock waves Wells’s statement sent through the loyalist heartland:
A victory for Boris!
BTTT.
Yellow Hammered
Oh good, thank you for interpreting that, I was really confused.
IF this is true, it looks like the DUP decided that a Brexit that involves only a partial Brexit for Northern Ireland is better than no Brexit at all. They’re likely thinking, “Get the rest of the UK out of the EU and we’ll figure out how to follow later.” It’s not ideal, but might actually work... eventually.
I don’t think NI will follow rUK out of the EU - not now and definitely not later.
What the DUP may be thinking is that it’s better to be part of the EU customs union while still part of the UK rather than risk a referendum that may end up reuniting Ireland
Intersting that the EU would support terrorism in Northern Ireland to shoot Brexit down...
Neither side is supporting terrorism.
The UK side wants out of the customs union.
The Irish side wants the UK to live up to its promise of the open borders in the Good Friday agreement.
Then explain INSTEX.
So Belfast resident will need to show a passport to travel to London within the UK but not when travelling abroad to Dublin?
from what I read about it, yes, that’s how it seems.
Instex is used by the UK as well as Ireland. Though I think the question was about terrorism in the Emerald Isle
Frankly I think the ultimate outcome will be that Ulster leaves the UK and Ireland reunites as one island, one country.
Now that Ireland is no longer a Catholic country, offering free abortions for everyone, why would the North resist that?
The North has more restrictions on abortion than the republic has now. And you’re right - the RoI is far less Catholic.
Though I argue that the Irish troubles were less about religion and more about ethnicity - considering that the first President of Ireland was Protestant as were many of the leading lights of the movement. But they felt Irish (even if they were Anglo-Irish or Norman-Irish). Remember that Rees-Mogg is Catholic for instance, but seems the quintessential Englishman. The Ulster folks, about 30% feel British but they feel that “Britain” is leaving them, so might as well join the republic.
Oh and the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland jointly have a rugby team. the world is mixed up!
I think what happens here is the rest of the UK exits the EU leaving Northern Ireland effectively still in the EU. Massive numbers of unassimilated immigrants and refugees relocate to Northern Ireland along with large numbers of young people who want to stay Euro cool and leftist professors, politicians, High Society Elites, and BBC personnel who all prefer cocktail parties and Marxism. Then. Insular UK. Grant’s Northern Ireland mandatory Independence.
God Save the Queen.
Then Scotland asks for the same No Deal UKexit.
Not really. NI would still be in the UK’s jurisdiction and under British laws.
immigrants and refugees would not be able to move to northern Ireland without getting papers and passing through the republic.
And they would then be subject to British laws, not EU or any other.
As to the other folks you mention - Belfast has few jobs, people aren’t going to relocate
A little help here, for those not familiar with British politics:
The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) is a unionist political party in Northern Ireland favouring British identity. It was founded in 1971 during the Troubles by Ian Paisley, who led the party for the next 37 years.
The population of the Republic of Ireland is increasingly made up of Poles and Nigerians. So that ethnic argument is out the window too.
as per the 2016 census, in the republic there are 4 million Irish, 150K Poles, 100K Britons, 36K Lithuanians, 30K Romanians, 10K Americans and about 12K Nigerians
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