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UCLA prof: ‘I don’t see 2nd Amendment as absolute, just like I don’t see 1st Amendment as absolute’
Campus Reform ^ | September 8, 2019 | Celine Ryan

Posted on 09/08/2019 2:23:18 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: sourcery

1st amendment applies specifically to Congress. In an ideal world, the states (rather than the courts) would get to list the exceptions (for years it was this very way).

2nd amendment is “right of the people” so that looks absolute.


41 posted on 09/08/2019 5:50:36 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“... Shall not be infringed”


42 posted on 09/08/2019 5:54:20 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“sociopolitical”

https://webmail.lerctr.org/~transit/healy/crap.wav


43 posted on 09/08/2019 5:58:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He is right, they are not absolute. They are granted and subject to God.

He things they are granted by and subject to man.


44 posted on 09/08/2019 5:58:46 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s that dang word “PROFESSOR” again. Another word and position totally destroyed by communism (liberalism)
What a bunch of useless communist turds they’ve all turned out to be.
And to think parents shell out good money for their little snowflakes to sit and learn under these insane communist POSs is amazing.


45 posted on 09/08/2019 5:59:23 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How does he feel about the 8th Amendment, since they are all “flexible”? I’d wager I could make sure he doesn’t die, screaming, for DAYS!!


46 posted on 09/08/2019 6:06:12 AM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s because he is a communist.

Constitution is constantly being attacked. These rights are fragile and patriots must be diligent.


47 posted on 09/08/2019 6:09:03 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (The trouble with socialism is that you soon run out of other people's zoo animals to eat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Douglas Kellner,

Or would you prefer A-Hole? The second amendment is there to protect all the other amendments from idiots like you. Idiots who want to take firearms away from those who chose to fight tyranny.


48 posted on 09/08/2019 6:15:01 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (NuRulz)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This guy should be focusing his intellectual and brilliance where there is the biggest “bang for the buck” (pun intended). That is gun violence in the urban hood. It has been going on a lot longer than the new supposed phenomena of recent mass shooting. He should be working there to cure the disease rather than observing some symptom and doing nothing.

Regarding racism caused violence. He seems to think that this is new. Anyone recall the knock-out game? Not gun violence but racist nonetheless. Did he right a similar article during Obama administration regarding this racist induced phenomena? Nope.


49 posted on 09/08/2019 6:17:09 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: riverrunner
One can carry the word fire with them all the time and use it when needed

Nice. I like it. I'm keepin' it.

50 posted on 09/08/2019 6:19:07 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: MarMema

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From the (powder)Blue and fool’s Gold campus?

Donate the place to USC!
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51 posted on 09/08/2019 6:26:49 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Democracies are never populated by free people)
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To: super7man

write=right

Sorry, don’t ya’ just hate it when that happens.


52 posted on 09/08/2019 6:30:19 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder if it thinks it’s tenure or federal funding for its department is absolute?

Because I sure know what I would be doing were I in charge.


53 posted on 09/08/2019 6:31:20 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is absolute Celine and there are many of us who would have no problem with wiping you and your ilk out with extreme prejudice.


54 posted on 09/08/2019 6:32:40 AM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a bunch of bull S!


55 posted on 09/08/2019 7:02:47 AM PDT by Agatsu77
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

from the article: “Kellner, who teaches education, Germanic languages, and gender studies at UCLA”

why should anyone listen to this goofball?

https://gseis.ucla.edu/directory/douglas-kellner/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Kellner

Recent controversies
In January 2006, Kellner was caught up in the Bruin Alumni Association’s controversial “Dirty Thirty”[4] project which listed UCLA’s most politically extreme professors. The list was compiled by a former UCLA graduate student, Andrew Jones, who had previously been fired by his mentor David Horowitz for pressuring “students to file false reports about leftists” and for stealing Horowitz’s mailing list of potential contributors to fund research for attacks on leftwing professors.[5]

The Association offered students up to $100 for tapes of lectures that show how “radicals” on the faculty are “actively proselytizing their extreme views in the classroom”.[6] Kellner, named number three; Peter McLaren, also in the School of Education and Information Studies at UCLA, topped the list at number one.

Kellner responded in print with the view that the “attack exemplified rightwing interventions within the cultural wars that have raged on campuses since the 1960s”.[7]

Political writing
Kellner’s writing style has been the subject of criticism in the scholarly field, as many of his books are fiercely political. A Publishers Weekly review of Grand Theft 2000: Media Spectacle and a Stolen Election was positive, though it concluded that the book’s end result is “somewhat formless and unfocused.” Although the review praised some aspects, notably Kellner’s highlighting of some conservative ideological inconsistencies, it lamented that Kellner’s “sporadic, underdeveloped discussion of Republicans projecting their own sins onto Democrats is particularly frustrating.”[8]

Kellner received the 2008 American Educational Studies Association (AESA) Critics’ Choice Award for his book Guys and Guns Amok: Domestic Terrorism and School Shootings from the Oklahoma City Bombing to the Virginia Tech Massacre. The book argues that school shootings and other acts of mass violence embody a crisis of out-of-control gun culture and male rage, heightened by a glorification of hypermasculinity and violence in the media.

rated # 3 of the ucla “dirty thirty”


56 posted on 09/08/2019 7:07:12 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no justice no peace)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The STATE COURTS of the early 1800s felt it was absolute. Here are some long forgotten state court cases.

https://guncite.com/journals/senrpt/senrpt.html

“The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner.”

19th century cases
16. * Wilson v. State, 33 Ark. 557, at 560, 34 Am. Rep. 52, at 54 (1878).

“If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the (p.17)penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional privilege.”

17. * Jennings v. State, 5 Tex. Crim. App. 298, at 300-01 (1878).

“We believe that portion of the act which provides that, in case of conviction, the defendant shall forfeit to the county the weapon or weapons so found on or about his person is not within the scope of legislative authority. * * * One of his most sacred rights is that of having arms for his own defence and that of the State. This right is one of the surest safeguards of liberty and self-preservation.”

18. * Andrews v. State, 50 Tenn. 165, 8 Am. Rep. 8, at 17 (1871).

“The passage from Story (Joseph Story: Comments on the Constitution) shows clearly that this right was intended, as we have maintained in this opinion, and was guaranteed to and to be exercised and enjoyed by the citizen as such, and not by him as a soldier, or in defense solely of his political rights.”

19. * Nunn v. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243, at 251 (1846).

“’The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.’ The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State.”

And the SCOTUS case that led to the Civil War..

Are Negros citizens...Dred Scott
“It would give to persons of the negro race, who are recognized as citizens in any one state of the Union, the right to enter every other state, whenever they pleased.... and it would give them full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might meet; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to KEEP AND CARRY ARMS wherever they went.”


57 posted on 09/08/2019 7:11:30 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll bet the son of a bitch sees professorial tenure as absolute .


58 posted on 09/08/2019 7:21:55 AM PDT by ameribbean expat (Socialism is like a nude beach - - sounds great til you actually get there. -- David Burge.)
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To: MarMema

The wall should have been started on the eastern border of Kalifornika.


59 posted on 09/08/2019 7:25:01 AM PDT by bgill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Oh, the irony, if (hypothetically, for the sake of written illustration here) someone were to pull a gun on him and tell him to STFU.

Which one would he want to get rid of first? HIS 1st, or the other guy's 2nd?

Duh.

60 posted on 09/08/2019 7:29:47 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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