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To: Albion Wilde

Have you not experienced a shamefully randy father among your circle? How could he possibly be even remotely a good influence? You are way uncultured.


89 posted on 09/14/2019 6:49:26 PM PDT by Bethaneidh
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To: Bethaneidh
You are way uncultured.

My FRiend, those who know me well would laugh heartily at your presumption.

It's also ludicrous to accuse someone of being "way uncultured" due to not knowing any "randy fathers." I don't think you meant what you wrote there.

Nothing in my post had to do with the law-breaking fathers among us. It was about the benefits of having a widespread social ethic of traditional marriage for most adults, which has always been and is still today the safest and best place for most children. And when most adults accept the traditional rules of fidelity and integrity with marriage and childrearing, fewer people go some other way, because their family, friends and employers influence their behavior.

Having apparently lived longer than you, I can tell you that society was much different before the onslaught of pornography since the 60s, when the Soviet and American communists initiated what would become a long program of dismantling family and religious values.

When there was no internet, no Amazon, no big-box stores with self-checkout, plus strict decency laws for print/movies/television, and even the porn that was allowed was hidden behind the counter and men had to ask for it, often from the storekeeper whose wife knew his wife; porn was not easily available to family men—and wouldn't have been sold by most shopkeepers to women at all before the 1960s. What was printed in porn magazines was often tamer than what you see in commercials and in prime time TV shows since the Clinton administration (when he stopped prosecuting obscenity according to the law). There were XXX-rated movie theaters, but family men knew that their cars or license plates could be seen by their neighbors passing by, so shame and fear of divorce and losing custody was a deterrent. Yes, before the late 1970s there wasn't any "no-fault" divorce, so if either partner cheated or abused or habitually brought indecency into the home, they could lose custody and not see their kids any more.

Although there were sexually abusive men, pedophiles and cheaters, most Americans were decent because society was not constantly bombarded with sexual imagery; and those men and women who weren't decent often got a beatdown from the friends and family of the victim(s) and thrown in jail afterwards. The exceptions were the highly respected figures such as clergy, coaches or other leaders who had access to vulnerable children whose parents were in denial and did not protect them. It would not be unusual for a father to go along with his teenager for an after-school job interview if he did not know the employer.

It's never wise to take your personal situation and generalize it outward onto an entire population. I've done graduate research on the breakdown of traditional marriage, including the problem of fatherlessness in current society. There are many causes. While too many men in these broken-down times take brutal advantage of domestic partners or children, the majority of Jewish and Christian men who are married to the mother of their children and live together with their wife and their biological children do not abuse.

Our culture was designed around God-fearing Christian people who worked for a living, which comprised the vast majority of Americans at the Founding and up until the 1970s, which is when it all changed with the legalization of cohabitation, birth control pills, and abortion. If you grew up after then, or suffered in silence before then without the helps now available to abused family members, your individual experience may be different; but that doesn't make it the rule.

90 posted on 09/14/2019 8:21:20 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. --Douglas MacArthur)
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