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Serious fight triggered over 1 state's throttling of gun licenses(chiraq)
wnd.com ^ | 9/1/2019 | staff

Posted on 09/02/2019 8:56:02 AM PDT by rktman

Illinois hasn't fared well in recent years in its attempts to curb Second Amendment rights.

In April, a gun ban imposed by the Illinois Housing Authority was struck down by a court. Then there was an attempt to disarm all day-care operators.

And famously, the McDonald Second Amendment case that originated in the Windy City resulted in a U.S. Supreme Court ruling affirming an individual's right to bear arms.

Now the non-partisan Second Amendment Foundation is considering legal action to force state authorities to speed up the application and renewal process for concealed-carry licenses.

The concern was triggered by complaints about the length of time citizens must wait for their licenses.

"A right delayed is a right denied," said SAF founder and executive vice president Alan M. Gottlieb. "We are considering taking legal action to end this abuse of process."

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; chicago; illinois; kaba
And, as usual, the demokkkommies simply ignore the laws they disagree with and court orders and constitutionally guaranteed rights. Why? Because nobody will hold them accountable. Meanwhile over at the super secret underground lair HQ of the doh-J............crickets.
1 posted on 09/02/2019 8:56:02 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

It’s even worse in NJ.


2 posted on 09/02/2019 9:13:39 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: rktman

Send money to the 2A foundation. The 2 Alans are the ones getting results protecting our inalienable right to bear arms.


3 posted on 09/02/2019 9:32:26 AM PDT by joshua c
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(As of 2018, there were) “38 cases (in the State of Illinois) where a person with a concealed handgun permit discharged a gun. The cases go back to 2014, and Illinois first started issuing concealed handgun permits in February that year. There have been no criminal convictions for any of these permit holders, and just five face criminal charges that are related to their permits.”

“More than 265,000 Illinois residents have a concealed carry license, about 2 percent of the state’s adult population.”


4 posted on 09/02/2019 10:48:08 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Liberalism is the belief everyone else should be in treatment for your disorder.)
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Don’t know if this can be posted her, but it is interesting.
ATF is confiscating AA-12 semi-auto shotguns, telling the owners that ATF has decided they are machine guns and they must surrender them.

https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/


5 posted on 09/02/2019 11:41:46 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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Better link

https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/aa12-atf-confiscation/


6 posted on 09/02/2019 11:42:59 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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The permit should be good for life, unless revoked. Even drivers licenses only need to be renewed every 7-15 years (depending on the state) and that’s only to make sure you can still see past the front hood and update the photo.


7 posted on 09/02/2019 12:01:53 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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Uh, 2nd Amendment should be all that's needed.😳
8 posted on 09/02/2019 12:42:45 PM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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No serious argument from me. I was just marveling at how drivers license, which is not a right per se, is simple to extend and renew. Unless you get a ton of tickets or drive recklessly they just carry on. There is no rational justification for a CCW permit to be any more cumbersome - if you commit a felony you get it revoked otherwise carry on.
But we’re talking about a licensing scheme to concealed carry. As I understand it, there continues to be legal arguments about whether the state can regulate both concealed and open carry. The 9th recently had a chance to resolve the question but came up with an absurd ruling that allowed the state to deny both. The other side argued that the state can regulate one or the other but not both. Thus more and more states move to “Constitutional carry”. Meanwhile there is another case in the 9th which threatens to undo their last silly ruling.

As for 2A I am pretty close to an absolutist. Self defense is an inalienable right granted by our Creator. The 2A only enshrines that right into the Constitution, but it exists with or without the Constitution.


9 posted on 09/02/2019 12:54:48 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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"drivers license, which is not a right per se"

a DL is an infringement of ones right to travel which is a right.

Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 U.S. 618, was a Supreme Court decision that helped to establish a fundamental "right to travel" in U.S. law. Although the Constitution does not mention the right to travel, it is implied by the other rights given in the Constitution

Murdock Vs Pennsylvania 319 USSCR 105
No state can convert a secured liberty (right) to a privilege and issue a license and fee for it

Title 49 USC Transportation
You may find there is no requirement for a license for an automobile (it's all about the weight)

SUBTITLE VI—MOTOR VEHICLE AND DRIVER PROGRAMS (§§ 30101 – 33118)

10 posted on 09/02/2019 2:02:45 PM PDT by SERE_DOC ( The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. T)
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To: rktman

The 2nd Amendment is Settled Law.


11 posted on 09/02/2019 3:29:14 PM PDT by motor_racer (If you don't read the news, you are uninformed. If you read the news, you are misinformed.)
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Pritzker and Madigan are behind it. De-funding that part of the State Police charged with background checks and clearing CCW Holders.

Guarantee it. Heard it from friends in Law Enforcement. (You know those guys some Freepers like bashing 24x7 on here..)

12 posted on 09/02/2019 3:32:49 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: motor_racer

We wish.


13 posted on 09/02/2019 4:25:56 PM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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