Posted on 09/01/2019 2:24:14 PM PDT by Albion Wilde
In the interest of public access to court records and with the approval of Chief Judge J. Thomas McGrady and Circuit Judge Pat Siracusa, Nikki Alvarez-Sowles, Esq., Pasco County Clerk & Comptroller, this website was developed and will be maintained to provide electronic access to court records in State of Florida vs. Curtis J. Reeves. This site will be updated by 3:00 p.m. daily....
[This is the case of the "theater shooter" who killed a man after arging about cellphone use in a movie theater. Young veteran dad threw popcorn, old retired cop shot him to death in front of both of their wives—FIVE years ago. Justice delayed...]
The web site linked shows the dozens of motions and proceedings that are driving the family of the deceased, Chad Oulson, to despair. Here is a link to a year-old article and video giving some background about the delays:
August 24, 2018: Trial of Curtis Reeves postponed due to confusion about 'stand your ground' law
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They keep saying “stand your ground” but it’s not. The issue was regarding a self-defense immunity hearing. SYG had nothing to do with it.
The ex cop is a murderer. Hope he hangs.. slow.
But in the narrower perspective the ex cop prevailed. He took the encounter. Right or wrong the debate over the phone call’s appropriateness was resolved.
Big price but the killer got to say: Thought so.
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It stinks on ice. They are probably trying to run out the clock until the old basstid dies. I feel so enraged on behalf of the young wife and child. Reminds me of the outrageous Mumia abu Jamal cop-killer case in Philly that has dragged on and on and on and on... 38 years the wife and family of Officer Daniel Faulkner have been dragged through appeal after appeal.
This guy should fry. So should Mumia.
Quite certain FL SYG requires defense of justification , a grave/lethal threat, imminent and able to be committed against an innocent person, who has a right to be where he is and therefore does not have to give way....
I do not think it requires five years of distillation to determine of this guy had any defense against a popcorn thrower...
I do not understand your meaning. Thought so ... what? What did he think?
Florida has a self-defense law that is pretty similar to other states. "Stand Your Ground" refers to a single one of the five elements of self-defense law. That element is the issue of having a duty to retreat. In a Stand Your Ground state you do not have the obligation to retreat from a threat, if possible, but all other required elements of self-defense are still there. And if retreat isn't even an option, as it isn't in many cases, then Stand Your Ground has nothing to do with the case.
Reporters and even lawyers have been routinely using "Stand Your Ground" when all they really mean is "self-defense".
In this case it's about a completely different law. Florida has a self-defense immunity statute. It doesn't change the terms of self-defense and it has nothing to do with retreating. It just says that you can't be prosecuted unless the state can prove it wasn't self-defense. Again, this has nothing at all to do with "Stand Your Ground".
Hey! You stepped on my shoe!
So? What are you gonna do about it?
Well, don’t do it again. (Weak reply.)
Thought so. (Acknowledgement of weak reply.)
Guess I’m just incapable of finding any humor, no matter how wry, in this situation.
Who found humor? What makes your mind go there?
You asked me a question and I answered.
Next time live with your ignorance.
Don’t lay implications on me again, jerk.
“Any police department (or university faculty, or military unit, etc.) is only as good as the worst psycho they tolerate.” ~ H/T RedStateRocker
Dr. Cole: Hah no, they would get hired by different a county, like a couple minutes over usually. Somebody knew them and “Now let’s pick them up.” “No, no, no, he has really strong sadistic tendencies and fantasies of rape and murder, you really shouldn’t hire him” and they would.
The lawyers and their hourly fees would like a word with you. Billable of course.
But in all seriousness, you are correct.
Hmm. Alot of (maybe all by now) retired LEO claim disability and collect oodles of $$$, tax free. How many of these are PTSD disabilities ? Maybe they should be denied access to guns especially if collecting for PTSD.
Hmm.
Agreed. On all points. MO too has very similar laws. If justified in self defense, it is an affirmative defense to criminal or civil litigation. SYG/Castle Doctrine etc. I love MO!
Red flagged, hmmm...
If you read the book, “The Power of Habit” it explains what happened. When the deceased threw the bag of popcorn at the retired cop, he signed his death warrant.
I have an acquaintance who was a regular in bar fights in his younger days. He always threw a beer bottle at his opponent’s face before closing the distance and clocking them.
Reeves went into auto mode when the deceased threw the popcorn at him. It didn’t take thought. Afterwards Reeves said to his wife, “What have I done.”
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