Posted on 08/29/2019 8:44:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
RE: Three big areas that seek various degrees of independence from Beijing: Tibet, Hong Kong, and the Uighur territories
He forgot to mention Taiwan.
Taiwan isn’t part of China.
He’s right to leave it out.
Because luckily Taiwan is not really a part of China.
Should we care about the Uighurs? The enemy of my enemy?
Why does the gender of the think tank participants matter?
The internal divide between the CCP hardliners and those who favor the capitalist/western experiment may prove to be far more significant. Trump is hammering a wedge between those two.
China considers Taiwan to be part of China. It just isn't considered an active rebellion at this time, although in the long term, China plans on returning it into their orbit.
Marx and Engels said the state would wither away under communism. What happened, how can China be facing such problems if the state will wither away?
Wishful thinking baseless conjecture.....
[Should we care about the Uighurs? The enemy of my enemy?]
It is a general truism of this world that anything long divided will surely unite, and anything long united will surely divide.
I think Marx and Engels have been somewhat discredited.
Yes I think you are right.
I was trying to make a point, and didn’t express it too well, about how communism and communist governments in the real world, find the theories of Marx and Engels don’t work in reality.
Even when Chinese emperors had the ability to order this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminations officials and peasants alike took up arms against their rulers. Two of China’s four classic novels, The Water Margin and The Three Kingdoms, revolve around armed revolt against the ancien regime. Revolt and revolution are built into Chinese history. Internal threats have repeatedly emerged from unexpected sources. Ironically, Yeltsin’s rise to power, i.e. a courtier who seizes the throne, while exceptional in Russia, was a recurrent event in Chinese history. During such events, peripheral regions have repeatedly gone their own way, as factional fighting took up the capital’s attention and funds.
Agree.
I also think that if they attempt to pull back on the international access too much then the two areas that have seen the most exposure to the rest of the world: Shanghai and Guangdong province (home to Shenzhen, Dongguan, and Foshan) may head the way of Hong Kong as well. Once they’ve seen the “good life” it’s hard to pull it back.
For those saying Taiwan isn’t part of China : both the ROC and the PRC state that it is and that they are the rightful government.
[Yes I think you are right.
I was trying to make a point, and didn’t express it too well, about how communism and communist governments in the real world, find the theories of Marx and Engels don’t work in reality.]
No, Taiwan is already independent and has been for around 70 years.
The imminent problem is somewhere like Shanghai. If Shanghai catches the Hong Kong disease, Xi and his henchmen have a real problem.
That is why the Trump tariffs are so important. If the tariffs disturb substantially the status quo in Shanghai, the problem is likely to erupt into the streets
Lol.
In Water Margin, all of the outlaws eventually surrendered to the government;
And the Three Kingdoms ended up in the Great Unity.
Pls think of Robin Hood and his merrie men.....
To be fair, the Republic of China on Taiwan considers the Communists on the mainland to be in open rebellion against the lawful government in Taipei as well.
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