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It is common sense for the defensive display of a firearm to be legal as less than lethal force. It is the most common use of a firearm in defense, it has the most likelihood of stopping aggression through deterrence.
1 posted on 08/26/2019 3:42:07 AM PDT by marktwain
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Isn’t ‘brandishing’ a firearm a crime in some places?

I guess you are just supposed to ‘whip it out’ and kill them with no warning....


2 posted on 08/26/2019 3:54:27 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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Another filthy court.


5 posted on 08/26/2019 4:14:53 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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More black-robed tyranny.


7 posted on 08/26/2019 4:17:33 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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So, is she going to prison for two years, or is that what the court reversed?


12 posted on 08/26/2019 4:53:50 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We're living in Dr. Zhivago but without the love triangle)
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Arizona was one of the states that saw the confusion juries and judges were in when a "defensive display" of a firearm could be confused with being the aggressor and threatening the use of "deadly force."

So this is what they put in place:

Revised Arizona Jury Instruction (RAJI 4th)

AZ RAJI4th 4.21 − Justification: Defensive Display of a Firearm

The defendant is justified in defensively displaying a firearm if a reasonable person would have believed that physical force was immediately necessary to protect himself/herself against the [use] [attempted use] of unlawful [physical force] [deadly physical force].

The defendant was not justified in displaying a firearm if:

[The defendant intentionally provoked another person to [use] [attempt to use] unlawful physical force.]

[The defendant used a firearm during the commission of a (list serious offense from A.R.S. § 13-706) (list violent crime from A.R.S. § 13-901.03)].

“Defensive display of a firearm” includes:

Verbally informing another person that the person possesses or has available a firearm.

Exposing or displaying a firearm in a manner that a reasonable person would understand was meant to protect the person against another’s use or attempted use of unlawful physical force or deadly physical force.

Placing the person’s hand on a firearm while the firearm is contained in a pocket, purse or other means of containment or transport. [The defendant was not required to defensively display a firearm before using physical force or threatening physical force that was otherwise justified.]

The State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not defensively display a firearm. If the State fails to carry this burden, then you must find the defendant not guilty of the charge.


15 posted on 08/26/2019 5:19:35 AM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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At the trial, the judge mistakenly ruled that merely displaying a gun was the use of deadly force.


So, per the judge, if you make the firearm visible, you might as well shoot everyone observing it to death.
Yeah. That’s a good legal precedent.


18 posted on 08/26/2019 5:45:54 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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“At the trial, the judge mistakenly ruled that merely displaying a gun was the use of deadly force. That goes against common sense and several precedents.”

I would not describe that as a “mistake”. Maybe “ideology showing” but not “mistake”.


20 posted on 08/26/2019 6:08:24 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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The most common use of a firearm, in defense of a home, is the racking of a round in a shotgun! It is the universally understood statement, “You are in the WRONG house!”

But, racking a shotgun is NOT deadly force, in any way, shape or form!

This initial ruling was nothing but a judge attempting to thwart the 2nd Amendment - like too many judges attempt!


23 posted on 08/26/2019 7:15:59 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Diversity is tolerance; diverse points of views will not be tolerated.)
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Yep - saw one of the shows on TV where they have videos sent in....a guy was experiencing some road rage in a backed up traffic situation. As they were stopped, he got out of his car, grabbed a metal bar and headed back to the guy he was pissed at...the guy stepped out of his car, pulled his weapon and pointed it at the guy coming at him...he stopped, dropped the bar and returned to his car.
If the guy had waited a bit longer, he could have probably legally shot the guy as he was beating on the car and maybe trying to beat on him...much better and more humane to let the perp understand he may want to cease and desist.


24 posted on 08/26/2019 7:27:13 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: marktwain

Why isn’t showing a fire arm free speech?


25 posted on 08/26/2019 7:36:30 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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Wow. Residents of Michigan can open carry a handgun without a CPL license if the gun is registered to their name.

Per that judge’s logic, is any open carry a use of deadly force? wtf


27 posted on 08/26/2019 8:48:30 AM PDT by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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Not all states or all prosecutors can be relied on to interpret the law in this way

I disagree, if Judges would Hold Prosecutors Accountable by Remanding them in to Custody for Contemp5t of Court for their crazy half baked asinine theories, This Crap would stop. The Appeals Court should have Sent a Message, by doing just this and The Trial Judge should Join them for Allowing it.
30 posted on 08/26/2019 3:49:50 PM PDT by eyeamok
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