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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Um, about that. Your info is a bit out of date.

China has two carriers in the water, with the second on sea trials.

Our tanks have been destroyed quite handily in Iraq (the ones we left there) and in Yemen (the ones we sold the Saudis) - at the same type of missile the Russians and Chinese sell in large quantities on the world market. The US Army has an emergency order in for Trophy anti-missile systems in to Rafael of Israel to protect some of our tanks.

Our ABM ships are nice but our Navy took CIWS off many of them. The Navy is currently desperately raiding museums and warehouses to put CIWS systems back on.

China’s strategy in the air is to kill the AWACS from long range then when our birds fire up their radar to compensate, swarm them with radar homing missiles fired in the hundreds by giant swarms of cheap missile hauler fighters. We did not and do not have enough advanced airframes to counter this.

Our military helicopters may be powerful, but the Chinese field Russian designs and as has been demonstrated in recent fights, we didn’t armor ours enough whereas the Russian-design-family birds shrug off SAMs and even ATGMs (visible third party proof of this is freely available on YouTube).

“China hasn’t fought a war since 1953” isn’t exactly true either. Among other things, you’re forgetting the long running Sino-Soviet border wars, their active if covert participation in Vietnam, the ongoing action in Xinjiang (1960-present) which has more than a little resemblance to our recent ‘fun’ in the Sandbox... They’ve not been sitting at home playing mahjong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China


26 posted on 08/19/2019 2:13:52 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Tanks are death traps.


29 posted on 08/19/2019 2:16:18 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Spktyr

Been on the bad end of a Hind, The Russians make good helicopters.


32 posted on 08/19/2019 2:21:19 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Spktyr

China has two NOW, I believe they have two more under construction, maybe more.

China is gaining on us RAPIDLY.


37 posted on 08/19/2019 2:29:47 AM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: Spktyr

As usual you folks are only half right and mostly just plain wrong.


102 posted on 08/19/2019 5:13:09 AM PDT by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold. Z)
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To: Spktyr; kaehurowing

“China’s strategy in the air is to kill the AWACS from long range then when our birds fire up their radar to compensate, swarm them with radar homing missiles fired in the hundreds by giant swarms of cheap missile hauler fighters.”

Similarly, they plan to use missile swarms on ships and bases in the region - DF-21 “Carrier Killers”, hypersonic glide warheads and cruise missiles.

That is likely why we recently withdrew from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty. The 500 mile range limit gave China a huge relative free-fire range, and they have developed and deployed the capability. It was a one-sided arms race.

Post INF, the US will likely be developing and deploying longer range systems, that could attrit Chinese ships, bases and their offensive missiles before launch.

Everyone who is seriously threatened by China (like Vietnam, Taiwan and India, maybe the Philippines), or their attack dog North Korea (like South Korea and Japan) will want adequate deterrence. China has accumulated enemies all around it, well within missile range of their own critical facilities and bases (and most important cities).

Trump’s second term would like start to see such offensive capability start deploying, as the existing systems start getting range boosts; like a single shot for the existing Army HIMARS mobile launcher, or upgraded Tomahawk cruise missiles.

Some purpose built systems, like a Pershing 3 of some sort, and some boost-glide hypersonic systems could be rushed in development during that time.

And of course, the long anticipated directed energy defensive weapons to counter swarms might come along as well.

China has had a free head start, but withdrawal from INF likely means that now its game on.


119 posted on 08/19/2019 6:50:15 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: Spktyr

Sub launched Tomahawks and Harpoons would do serious damage to the Chicoms sea/air operations capabilities. You light up your radar, fain a massive attack with drones to get them to start launching missiles and our subs are plotting targets. Then they launch and go quite to redeploy and a bunch of chicom sea/air assets go boom.

Next you take out their man made islands with more missiles from subs and then have your air assets pound them into rumble and make their runways useless. You take out their outer islands like these and then you hit and punch at their mainland targets and if their navy sorties you make them pay. Thing is if you punch their mainland, they will go after Alaska, Hawaii and the west coast. Count on them hitting Guam, Okinawa, Japan and the Philippines if they can.


156 posted on 08/19/2019 12:35:27 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: Spktyr

Talking points of the ‘Strategic Culture Foundation’ based in Moscow???


161 posted on 08/19/2019 1:07:58 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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