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Chinese missiles likely to cripple Asia-based US forces in event of conflict: report
South China Morning Post ^ | August 18, 2019 | Bhavan Jaipragas

Posted on 08/19/2019 1:19:41 AM PDT by kaehurowing

If an armed conflict broke out between Beijing and Washington, China’s hi-tech ballistic missiles would likely cripple the United States’ military bases and naval fleet across the Western Pacific region within hours, a new report by Australia-based researchers has said.

With China making rapid technological advancements and sharpening its hard power, the report urged the US and regional allies such as Australia and Japan to overhaul military investment and deployment plans, or face the prospect of American “military primacy” being undermined by the Asian power.

(Excerpt) Read more at scmp.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: china; expansionism; redchina; trumpasia; trumpdod; usdecline; usnavy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The assault carriers cannot host the F-35 VTOL variant as the decks are unable to withstand the heat (Harriers spread the engine heat to four points and produce less of it, the F-35 VTOL has a much larger and hotter exhausting engine set and concentrates it in two areas.) The ship decks are going to have to be rebuilt with new materials.


41 posted on 08/19/2019 2:39:54 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Well I told the math instructor swarm technology has limited applications.

And yeah its old as the hills, but you read all the time how this hive technology is the cusp of AI LOL


42 posted on 08/19/2019 2:40:47 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Spktyr

I can hardly wait to hit a sea state 5 in a type 22 LOL

I am sure it has applications, It would make a good fishing boat, But I want a 60 foot Hatteras.


43 posted on 08/19/2019 2:45:02 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

It is and it isn’t. I’m not so sure that a swarm AI is as limited in application as you appear to think it is, but it is something new. One aspect to keep in mind is that conventional swarm attacks like the kind the Type 22s could launch don’t have the attacking munitions working on concerted, group organized evasive maneuvers - not that all the missiles would pull the same maneuvers as a group, but see patterns of fire and the group’s distribution and orientation would adjust to take advantage of openings. Or they could in real time adjust from a wide, distributed pattern to focusing on certain ships - all without outside interference.

Play some military simulator games online to see how devastating that can be.


44 posted on 08/19/2019 2:47:08 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: kaehurowing

The way you end up in a war is that you lose deterrence. One side side gets the idea that, despite the unequal forces or capabilities, that the other side does not have the will to fight. WWII Japan had seen America remain neutral while Britain was getting whipped by Germany and concluded that America didn’t have the will to help even its best ally. They concluded that if they gave America a bloody nose and caused casualties that America would sue for peace. The same thing happened when Argentina decided to seize the Falklands.

It is not strength that causes war. It is the perception that the strength will not be used. We are fortunate that Obama didn’t get us into a war. Perhaps the most dangerous thing proposed recently is that Congress would forbid the President from first use of nuclear weapons.

People just don’t grasp the cause of war. It isn’t a desire to obtain something that can’t be gotten through negotiation. It is that the stronger side has lost deterrence.


45 posted on 08/19/2019 2:47:24 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: mylife

We send CBGs into the Taiwan Strait all the time. They don’t have to go far or survive long to enter range in that scenario. In fact, IIRC, at certain points they literally would only have to get outside their ports and launch.


46 posted on 08/19/2019 2:48:39 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Someone was whining to me about the ramps, and said it decreased lift.

I said then why do they do it? on short runway?

I can get a plane up, you hit the throttle, you hit the flaps.
Now I have been on such short runways but not at the controls.
I think they use the ramps for landing to slow them down, but fail to see how it could not assist in takeoff.


47 posted on 08/19/2019 2:51:52 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

The Type 22 is 139 feet 9 inches long, more than twice the length of that Hatteras.

“Small surface combatant” is relative these days. It has to be fairly large to host the shipkillers it carries. Remember, our current Zumwalt class destroyer is in length and beam (though not displacement) larger than some battleships that fought in WW2.

Its ‘small’ shipkillers that it throws are the size of half-height telephone poles.


48 posted on 08/19/2019 2:56:20 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: mylife

Ummmm, they don’t land on the ramps.

Here’s how the ski-jump carrier deck works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ski-jump_(aviation)


49 posted on 08/19/2019 2:57:23 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

What scares me is humans react like a mindless swarm, and it has killed millions.


50 posted on 08/19/2019 2:57:26 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Spktyr

On short islands they do


51 posted on 08/19/2019 2:58:30 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Militaries do it only if they don’t have enough runway to land the type, which is rare. That’s not how they do it on carriers - they’re either STOVL carriers or STOBAR carriers, the latter catching aircraft with the typical arrested recovery wires.


52 posted on 08/19/2019 3:01:39 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Hey, I just want a fishing boat I can live on :)

I it has guns all the better. :)


53 posted on 08/19/2019 3:01:48 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Spktyr
All I need..

I like tugboats even better. :)

54 posted on 08/19/2019 3:07:09 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Dunno, I would much rather have a Russian Zubr-class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubr-class_LCAC


55 posted on 08/19/2019 3:09:09 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: mylife

56 posted on 08/19/2019 3:09:59 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: kaehurowing

If an armed conflict broke out between Beijing and Washington, China’s hi-tech ballistic missiles would likely cripple the United States’ military bases and naval fleet across the Western Pacific region within hours, a new report by Australia-based researchers has said.


Wasn’t that the Japanese plan in 1941? How did that turn out?


57 posted on 08/19/2019 3:14:48 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: Spktyr

Can I fly it in the desert too? ?


58 posted on 08/19/2019 3:16:10 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

It’s a hovercraft, so yeah, more or less. And you can bring along hundreds of your closest friends and their vehicles.


59 posted on 08/19/2019 3:17:38 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Smoking on the fantail must suck :)


60 posted on 08/19/2019 3:18:23 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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