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How The Federal Government Nullified the Second Amendment to 'Ban' Automatic firearms
americanthinker.com ^ | 8/14/2019 | William Sullivan

Posted on 08/14/2019 12:10:26 PM PDT by rktman

There are two competing theories being debated today about American individuals’ “right” to gun ownership.

The original theory is that Americans enjoy a fundamental right to self-defense, in order to preserve one’s person and property against any neighbors or government agents who might act against one’s individual liberty. This is a natural right that predates our government’s formation, and was therefore enshrined in the Constitution by some very forward-thinking liberals of their time. In the words of the Second Amendment:

A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; bor; kaba
Well crap. And here I thought it said "...might not be infringed unless we feel like it, then we will." Interesting piece.
1 posted on 08/14/2019 12:10:26 PM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

Aided and abetted by the GOP.


2 posted on 08/14/2019 12:16:21 PM PDT by E Pluribus Bellum
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To: rktman

They don’t much follow any other part of the Constitution. Especially the 10th.


3 posted on 08/14/2019 12:17:29 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: E Pluribus Bellum

Mr No Repeal Eisenhower set the tone of occasionally resist but don’t roll back.


4 posted on 08/14/2019 12:18:07 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: rktman

The gooberment can name it, the 2nd amendment, anything it wants. It can not matter to anyone. The right to protect yourself is innate.
Who in the hell do gooberment think they are? Everyone has the right to protect themselves.


5 posted on 08/14/2019 12:33:42 PM PDT by Demanwideplan
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To: Rurudyne
They routinely violate Article 1 Section 5 of the U.S. Constitution:

Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.

Years ago, I called Bob Dole's office and was told "Senate Rules supersede the Constitution."
Their rule is to assume a quorum exists unless a member calls for a quorum count. Even if there are only two Senators present, which is often the case.

6 posted on 08/14/2019 12:35:11 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: rktman

I had a hsitory teacher in college who adamantly believed that the 2nd A clearly allowed any law-abiding citizen to keep and bear any weapon that would be carried by an individual infantryman.

That included fully automatic rifles, grenade launchers, etc. Everything short of crew served weapons.

“Assault” rifles were exactly what the amendment is meant to protect.


7 posted on 08/14/2019 1:03:01 PM PDT by budj (combat vet, 2nd of 3 generations)
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To: budj

If one simply reads MILLER it is obvious that the Court believed exactly that ( holding that a sawed off shotgun was not a military weapon and therefore not protected by the Second Amendment). Every case since then cites MILLER as holding the exact opposite.


8 posted on 08/14/2019 1:10:37 PM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: rktman

[[The original theory]]

It’s not a theory- it’s an INALIENABLE RIGHT which our founding fathers fiercely fought to assert for everyone:

“A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined...”
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.”
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

“A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.” - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

“On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

“To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them.”
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.”
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.”
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

“Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.”
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country.”
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

“This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.”
- St. George Tucker, Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

” The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves.”
- Thomas Paine, “Thoughts on Defensive War” in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

“The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

“The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.”
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

“What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.”
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789

“For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.”
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

“If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.”
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/gun-quotations-founding-fathers


9 posted on 08/14/2019 1:54:55 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: E Pluribus Bellum
Aided and abetted by the GOP. https://time.com/4431356/nra-gun-control-history/
10 posted on 08/14/2019 2:03:16 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: E Pluribus Bellum

AND, the NRA!

Full disclosure: I am a Life Member of the NRA, but some of the yesteryear and current anti-2A hi-jinks make me wonder just whatinhellaretheythingkin?


11 posted on 08/14/2019 2:13:41 PM PDT by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: rktman
...being necessary to the security of a free state,...

The most important word, the reason for the 2nd Amendment, and the one which is left out of most discussions.

12 posted on 08/14/2019 2:14:25 PM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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To: budj
The original American 'assault' weapon (smoothbore musket), when fired in volleys. I always enjoy pointing out that the colonists fighting the British were only able to put up a fight due to the fact that they employed "military weapons"...


13 posted on 08/14/2019 2:23:51 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: E Pluribus Bellum
And in '86 Reagan made it impossible for the average citizen to own a machine gun. That was a huge blow. I was pricing an Uzi at Ray's Guns in Louisville. $1,600. Now they're up to 10X that amount.

I think Ronald must have had a machine gun collection.

14 posted on 08/14/2019 2:28:04 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: rktman

Very well written and researched.


15 posted on 08/14/2019 2:52:43 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: budj

Your Professor was a smart man.


16 posted on 08/14/2019 2:53:32 PM PDT by Midnitethecat (St)
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To: logi_cal869

Precisely.

The most rational interpretation is: Anything that a current military infantryman might use should be available to a citizen.


17 posted on 08/14/2019 3:40:30 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: 1malumprohibitum
"...a sawed off shotgun was not a military weapon..."

I remember reading somewhere that a Supreme Ct Justice once commented that no argument was presented that a sawed off shotgun was a militia weapon; however, if it were shone that, in fact, sawed off shotguns were used in WWI as "trench guns" the case would almost certainly have ended differently.

18 posted on 08/14/2019 8:03:20 PM PDT by budj (combat vet, 2nd of 3 generations)
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