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Dow tumbles 400 points after bond market flashes a recession warning
edition.cnn.com ^ | August 14, 2019 | David Goldman

Posted on 08/14/2019 7:11:42 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

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To: Maris Crane

Cavuto...is talking about it [recession] MORE now.

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I wouldn’t know. I stopped listening to him a long ago. He’s an anti-Trump whiner.


21 posted on 08/14/2019 7:38:35 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

If government debt was truly worrisome to investors, then they’d demand HIGHER interest rates on long-term debt. What’s happening here is the exact opposite.


22 posted on 08/14/2019 7:39:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Aargh! Here we go again.


23 posted on 08/14/2019 7:41:41 AM PDT by miserare ( Indict Hillary!)
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To: Brilliant
The media is desperate to convince us we’re in a recession.

For those of us in business, it seems that we're entering one.
24 posted on 08/14/2019 7:43:01 AM PDT by TexasGunLover
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To: Alberta's Child

Nobody but you calculates productivity that way so your post doesn’t really have any meaning not would your point have any meaningful affect on the economy.


25 posted on 08/14/2019 7:43:19 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie (Ca)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Working on my second retirement check. Currently going with a balance / asset allocation for the 401K with retirement date of 2030. I am thinking 10 years is enough recover from any 2008 repeats...

My accountant is concern I will get hit with more taxes when I start drawing my SS. He mention I should open a 401 Roth account to lower those taxes in the future. I will make this investment a low risk.

The only issue I really have with the markets is the US debt. I guess if the debt catches up with the USA, I have a whole lot more important things (making sure I am debt free with house paid off) to worry about then my investments.


26 posted on 08/14/2019 7:43:32 AM PDT by DEPcom
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To: Maris Crane

That’s when Cavuto and I parted compny. Charles Paine is The Man now.


27 posted on 08/14/2019 7:44:14 AM PDT by miserare ( Indict Hillary!)
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To: Justa

I saw Denmark at zero the other day and thought that very weird.


28 posted on 08/14/2019 7:44:14 AM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

They aim to destroy Trump one way or the other..it be calling him racist against Hispanic or crashing the economy, with the help of the EU specially china, the aim to do it by hook or crook!! They are on a roll and it only will intensify to a level we’ve yet to see!!! Trump was polling 33% with Hispanic but lost 10% dropped to 22 since the El Paso shooting. Unfortunately the Hispanic community is drinking the koolaid! Tonight’s memorial service for the victims is going to make your blood boil!! This is going to be a crucify and burn President Trump to the stake!! I pray the mediaVOMITS televise it so the American people can see the vitriol coming from these nasty ugly representatives!! I WILL PRAY It TURNS INTO ANOTHER WELLSTONE SPECTACLE!! It’s not about the victims family or bring unity it’s about destroying us and the president!! It’s gonna be UGLY!!


29 posted on 08/14/2019 7:44:26 AM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Berlin_Freeper

400 points = 1.5% …

“Tumbles”???


30 posted on 08/14/2019 7:45:16 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: miserare
Charles Paine is The Man now. Absolutely. Liked him for a long time.
31 posted on 08/14/2019 7:46:17 AM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: Vigilanteman

The tiny and shrinking part of my portfolio which I use for speculation buys Bear ETFs and Gold on up days and sells them on days like today.


Does this part of your portfolio tend to make a good return?

The conventional wisdom is you can’t beat buy & hold in the long run. Just wondering if this has been the case for you.


32 posted on 08/14/2019 7:49:26 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Nobody but you calculates productivity that way ...

Really?

Go back and read my first post on this thread again. "My" way of calculating productivity is ingrained in our GDP calculations ... even if it is not calculated as a separate measure.

There's a reason why GDP growth has been so stagnant for years in the U.S. -- and it's precisely the "productivity" factor I described.

33 posted on 08/14/2019 7:49:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: entropy12

Interesting chart there. But I would like to see something that compares the stock market’s p/e to bond rates.

Because let’s say a 10-year Treasury bond is paying 5%. That’s a safe haven from an inflated stock market. But such bonds are now paying less than 2%. That’s not a very attractive alternative.

So I guess what I’m saying is that an inflated stock market might have quite a ways to go if there are no other alternatives.


34 posted on 08/14/2019 7:50:08 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Alberta's Child

If there are strong signs that the economy is starting to slow down those investors will start to worry about the effect on tax receipts and the government’s ability to service its long term debts. The ratings services may have something to say about this.

But to me the larger question is what happens to the massive debt overhang when the economy does start to slow down?


35 posted on 08/14/2019 7:50:14 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Bill Maher feels vindicated. His wish may come true after all.


36 posted on 08/14/2019 7:51:31 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Kill a Commie for your Mommy.)
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To: Starboard
The ratings services may have nothing to say about it at all. Standard & Poor's, for example, rates bonds based on the ability of the bond holder to repay future obligations. The U.S. government is at an absolute ZERO risk of default for the foreseeable future, so U.S. Treasury bonds should always have the highest rating.

Other ratings services may rate bonds based on the probability of retaining value over time -- which includes both default risk AND inflation risk. These services may give U.S. Treasury bonds something less than the highest rating for this reason, but even in this case they'd have to look carefully and see if DEFLATION is actually a bigger threat over the long term.

But to me the larger question is what happens to the massive debt overhang when the economy does start to slow down?

For the U.S. government, I believe the long-term strategy is to simply expand the investor base by imposing banking systems tied to the U.S. dollar all over the world. That's probably what is behind every stupid military campaign we've fought in the last 25+ years.

37 posted on 08/14/2019 7:56:58 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: SoCal Pubbie; Alberta's Child
"Labor Force Participation Rate in the United States increased to 63 percent in July from 62.90 percent in June of 2019."

Now cut welfare for illegals and watch it jump!

Should I post what it was during Obama's years?

38 posted on 08/14/2019 7:59:37 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Alberta's Child

The only years there has been no growth in GDP since 1990 were 2008 and 2009.


39 posted on 08/14/2019 8:00:10 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie (Ca)
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To: Alberta's Child

The ratings services may have nothing to say about it at all. Standard & Poor’s, for example, rates bonds based on the ability of the bond holder to repay future obligations.

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Have nothing to say? Standard & Poor’s did in fact downgrade the United States’ credit rating in August of 2011.


40 posted on 08/14/2019 8:01:15 AM PDT by Starboard
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