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To: PsyCon

I agree with them that the way to fight this is in the PRIMARIES, not in November elections (unless people here really thing that Democrats support the Second Amendment more than Republicans).

But even so, I think the BEST WAY to fight this, and probably what Trump is doing, is to give some ground (as it’s hard to convince Soccer Moms to simply suck it up when you have these highly publicized so-called ‘mass killings’ happening on a regular basis - Soccer Moms WILL vote Democrat if they perceive Republicans as not doing something, anything, to SAVE OUR CHILDREN - as they see it).

So what ground do we give - first we DO NOT incentivize states to trample rights. That can never end well...and it is not the job of the federal government. So, maybe enable a federal system with REAL safeguards (like judicial review BEFORE showing up at someone’s door), where violators (i.e., government types) face some real hurt if they step on our rights.

The Dems will never agree to something like that, but we’ll have the high ground, and, hopefully, be able to hold the Soccer Mom vote. Because we’ll sure as hell need it in 2020.

To put it another way, handing the government, all of it, over to the Democrats, thinking that we’re ‘punishing’ Republicans, WILL NOT ACCOMPLISH JACK and will be the fastest way to having our guns either taken from us, or rendered useless (meaning, try protecting your daughter when a rapist breaks into your house and see who goes to jail, you - or the rapist).


7 posted on 08/11/2019 1:40:57 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: BobL

I agree with them that the way to fight this is in the PRIMARIES, not in November elections (unless people here really thing that Democrats support the Second Amendment more than Republicans).


Is that what the GOPe does? No. They continue to obstruct POTUS and enable progressive Democrats. Given that I feel no sense of party loyalty. After a lifetime of GOP party line voting the Buckley Rule is now dead in my house. Sorry.


13 posted on 08/11/2019 1:53:59 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: BobL
, I think the BEST WAY to fight this, and probably what Trump is doing, is to give some ground

We have been "giving ground" for decades. No good has come of it.

NO MORE.

WHAT GUN LAWS ARE WE GOING TO REPEAL?

When do we repeal the 1986 "Hughes Amendment", which has prevented NO crimes?

When do we repeal, in whole or in part, the 1968 "Gun Control Act", which has prevented no crimes but created many "process crimes"?

When do we repeal, in whole or in part, the 1934 "Natinal Firearms Act", which has prevented no crimes but created many "process crimes"?

When do we repeal the "Gun Free School Zones" law, which has facilitated crimes?

WHEN DO THE LEFTISTS "GIVE GROUND"???

14 posted on 08/11/2019 1:54:00 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: BobL
I agree with them that the way to fight this is in the PRIMARIES, not in November elections (unless people here really thing that Democrats support the Second Amendment more than Republicans).

The problem with this mentality, is that it has been the battlecry for since at least as long as I have been voting which is only 1988.

As conservatives, we are always told we need to hold our noses or things might end up worse if a Democrat wins. Yet many times, when the Republican wins, we still essentially end up with a Democrat and watch as liberty erodes.

In all honesty, maybe America needs a good punch in the gut, and maybe it will be a wake up call. If you think that any of these so-called red flag laws pass, that they will be rescinded if the Republicans gain power, think again.

Pass the laws, and lose the votes. Let's have the chips fall where they may and get the cart down the inevitable path sooner. Conservatives can't keep claiming to be principled only to keep allowing them to shift when the mood seems right.

42 posted on 08/11/2019 3:51:51 PM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is like the "One-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: BobL
But even so, I think the BEST WAY to fight this, and probably what Trump is doing, is to give some ground (as it’s hard to convince Soccer Moms to simply suck it up when you have these highly publicized so-called ‘mass killings’ happening on a regular basis - Soccer Moms WILL vote Democrat if they perceive Republicans as not doing something, anything, to SAVE OUR CHILDREN - as they see it).

That is exactly what the people doing the mass shootings want you to do. Since when do we let terrorists decide our political direction in the USA?

Many of the mass shooters want to trigger gun control - either because they are themselves in favor of gun control, like the guy who just launched a terror attack in Dayton, or because they are trying to start a larger war, like the guy in New Zealand.

How about responding to the "do something" call of the left with actions to improve mental health care, limit access to violent video games, and perhaps limit the kind of material people who may have violent thoughts are allowed to watch.

Why not have a background check before people are allowed to see a violent movie, or buy a violent video game? People who are known to have problematic behavior, like the kid in Dayton, should be required to have mental health treatment, and forbidden from, for example, playing first person shooter video games.

Of course that tramples on their 1st amendment rights, but isn't that better than trampling on everyone's 2nd amendment rights?

Of course we'll see nothing but opposition to those ideas by the Democrats, so the Soccer Moms, as you call them, will realize that the Democrats aren't trying to save their kids, just set up our nation for tyranny.

49 posted on 08/11/2019 4:49:42 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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