[DoodleBob]

....except that to be certified Organic, there are a series of tests that have to be undertaken on, inter alia, soil. So when Monsanto's hybrid seeds or the neighborhood agribusiness' use of Round-Up violates the organic farmer's property rights without compensation, the Organic farmer has to remediate that situation on his own dime to get the Organic cert.

[Don W]

I’m talking about FRUIT. The stuff that grows on trees.

Take a look at areas like the Okanogan valley in WA. Lots of apples and other tree fruit are grown there. Dozens of normal farms, interspersed with “organic orchards”.

The “organic” farms reap the benefits of the regular farms’ pest control efforts, and still label their product “organic”

The whole “organics” FAD is nothing but a scam to separate folks from their money.

Incidentally, you do know that a truncated definition of organic is: contains carbon.