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Bail, bond decisions are being made today with algorithms – That puts your safety at risk
Fox News. com ^ | August 5, 2019 | Sen. John Kennedy

Posted on 08/05/2019 12:14:57 PM PDT by Kaslin

Even if you’ve never heard of Edward French, his death should terrify you.

Two years ago, the 71-year-old photographer was greeting the sunrise with his camera at a popular San Francisco scenic spot when a pair of robbers shot and killed him. One of those robbers, Lamonte Mims, was in jail just days before the murder. He was released – free to help kill French – because a computer algorithm determined he didn’t pose a grave risk to public safety.

Jurisdictions across the U.S. are snapping up algorithms as tools to help judges make bail and bond decisions. They’re being sold as race- and gender-neutral assessments that allow judges to use science in determining whether someone will behave if released from jail pending trial.

Really, they’re a dangerous collision of the poorly vetted cost cuts and socialist agendas that are sweeping this country.

The algorithms scare me because they’re being implemented for the same reason as the early release programs that are getting people killed. The goal isn’t to protect public safety. It’s to empty jail cells and release dangerous criminals on their own recognizance.

As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I’m concerned about the recklessness of public policy that endangers people’s lives, especially in minority communities, where crime often is such a scourge. These algorithms – called pretrial assessment release tools – are the equivalent of using a Magic 8 ball in courtrooms. The results are disastrous to communities and great for criminals.

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1 posted on 08/05/2019 12:14:57 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Algore got rhythm?........


2 posted on 08/05/2019 12:17:40 PM PDT by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain......................)
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To: Red Badger
Algore got rhythm?........

You betcha!


3 posted on 08/05/2019 12:21:57 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: Red Badger
And they plead "Not Guilty"


4 posted on 08/05/2019 12:23:09 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Kaslin

The computer is too often treated as an idol rather than a tool used in an appropriate domain. This is one of the symptoms of such idolatry.

Folks like me, who have seen computer architecture from the ground up, from the dopant-diffused silicon to the RISC microcoded CISC microprocessors, aren’t under nearly as much illusion.

But before panning the computer program too much, I’d still like to see how it does versus the human if both have to meet the same external goals (reduce imprisonments by X amount). Computer programs can follow calculations that reduce risk. They can’t ever eliminate risk, or they would have to have God level data. (Wouldn’t insurance companies love to pick the prospective customers that will never incur claims?)

At some point I temporarily tire of pointing out that the problem of rejecting God, who does restrain sin, isn’t just a prisoner problem — it is a wider social problem. Won’t people ever get the point? Well it turns out that every day brings its new ignorant and unbelieving. And it’ll go on until God rolls this thing up once and for all, whenever that is.


5 posted on 08/05/2019 12:23:51 PM PDT by God cares
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To: SaveFerris

Lamonte Mims, 19, and Fantasy Decuir, 20, both pleaded not guilty Monday in the murder of a San Francisco photographer named Edward French.

https://abc7news.com/2-suspects-plead-not-guilty-to-san-francisco-twin-peaks-murder/2306906/


6 posted on 08/05/2019 12:24:38 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: SaveFerris

Well all do, meaning “We want the state to prove what it is alleging.” Which isn’t always a bad thing, even in the case of those who really are guilty.


7 posted on 08/05/2019 12:24:56 PM PDT by God cares
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To: Kaslin

Algorithms have the same weaknesses as models used to “predict” climate changes. They can be designed by people with biases. Can anyone say “liberals”? There are mentally ill people in society who should be in mental institutions but courts refuse to commit. And then, they commit mass murder. Let’s wake up folks.


8 posted on 08/05/2019 12:26:22 PM PDT by immadashell (Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
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To: SaveFerris
Victim:


9 posted on 08/05/2019 12:27:15 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: immadashell

AI is self referencing and most of it fits with the garbage-in garbage out model. I am sure the fact that they are both of a “disadvantaged” group was heavily factored into the code

Disgusting


10 posted on 08/05/2019 12:28:32 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: SaveFerris

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/18/543976003/did-a-bail-reform-algorithm-contribute-to-this-san-francisco-man-s-murder

[”I mean, he’s violated two probations. He was a convicted felon. And he had a gun charge just five days before the murder of Ed French! It’s absolutely crazy. I think the judge has to be held accountable,” he says.

That score system was created by the Texas-based foundation of billionaire John Arnold, a former Enron energy trader who later built and ran his own hugely successful hedge fund. The foundation, which advocates for criminal justice reform and other social issues, gives the PSA tool free to any jurisdiction that wants it.

Today, judicial systems in two states and 29 counties — including those for Chicago, Houston, San Francisco and Phoenix — are using the tool.]


>>>>>The foundation, which advocates for criminal justice reform and other social issues, gives the PSA tool free to any jurisdiction that wants it.<<<<<


11 posted on 08/05/2019 12:30:09 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Kaslin

The hell... Robot judges? Seriously!?


12 posted on 08/05/2019 12:30:51 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: Kaslin

The goal isn’t to protect public safety. It’s to empty jail cells


Yep. Prisons and prisoners cost lots of money nowadays. Money that can be spent on people who will reward you with their votes if you send some of it their way. This could be seen as an opportunity (don’t worry, it won’t be) to bring back corporal punishment.

One hour of intense pain, say administered by a caning ala Singapore instead of a year’s incarceration might well discourage recidivism and save the state money at the same time. It might be kinder in a way to the criminal as well. After a brief time in hospital, he’d be back with family and friends. The marks on his backside might well discourage people he knows from following a life of crime as well. Much less likely to raped by cell mates...the list of advantages go on and on.

For more serious crimes, like this weekend’s, the rope still works quite well, although many on this list recommend nitrogen asphyxiation.

Putting people in penitentiaries (originally to become penitent) hasn’t really worked all that well.


13 posted on 08/05/2019 12:30:59 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: God cares

Definitely good in the case of actually not guilty.

Coddyfornia will lock them up, let them loose and they’ll kill again. I’ve only got about 65 cents on my so I can’t wager a dollar.


14 posted on 08/05/2019 12:32:26 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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>>>>>The foundation, which advocates for criminal justice reform and other social issues, gives the PSA tool free to any jurisdiction that wants it.<<<<<


Since it’s a freebie, that insulates the maker of the app from liability, yes?


15 posted on 08/05/2019 12:32:55 PM PDT by HombreSecreto (The life of a repo man is always intense)
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To: HombreSecreto

Dunno. I worked with a piece of junk “free” software. I can see why it was free. No sane person would buy it. It was a piece of garbage. Interestingly enough, at a church organization that had been taken over by liberals. And they lost the company, BTW.


16 posted on 08/05/2019 12:34:49 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: God cares

People adapt and think around algorithms like the dunce who failed those quick mensa tests ‘till he learned how to view the spatial tests and practiced them until he was suddenly showing genius level IQ. That’s why the FBI’s personality and psychological assessment tools often fail; the real criminals have read those tools and learn to vary their behaviors and to not make the same repeated mistakes twice (or they worm their way into high office or high money(soros and Epstein) and become untouchable, laughing at the “little mice” in a maze who can’t get to them.)


17 posted on 08/05/2019 2:07:22 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Kaslin

Al-Gore-Rethemes (remember he invented the internet) are GIGO-ish.


18 posted on 08/05/2019 2:35:45 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Kaslin

Watch the film “Brazil”.


19 posted on 08/05/2019 2:36:58 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: SaveFerris

Always good in the case of venal governments too. They must be kept honest by every means, because their power is so vast.


20 posted on 08/05/2019 3:29:12 PM PDT by God cares
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