Kalamata:
Kalamata post #456:
"I asked you a simple question, Joey.
There is no need to get all snow-flake hysterical on us?
For the record, are you denying that you have been insinuating I am a holocaust denier because I refuse to worship at the altar of evolutionism?
Just checking to see if you are the denier." Oh, my baby Danny boy, in your terrible-twos-like rage you're simply bouncing from one insane accusation to another, none of them making any sense.
Yes, it's true, I have long wondered if Danny-boy is nothing more than an old Holocaust denier now retread and repurposed to evolution denial using the same Denier Tactics, "logic" and personal attacks they used?
What else could explain your insane rage, the same as theirs, at Michael Shermer?
Of course I have noticed significant differences, beginning with the worst of their vulgarity.
But not all were vulgar, indeed some Holocaust deniers considered themselves good Christians who were 100% convinced of two "facts":
- Their own Christian German ancestors and relatives were not capable of such mass destruction.
- "The Jews" were totally capable of mass deception.
So they believed the entire "Holo-hoax" was a product of Jewish propaganda and that is how they could spend all day in a Holocaust museum and never see any evidence!
And such denier tactics are the same ones you use to deny evolution.
So I think it's a legitimate question of how it is that Danny-boy uses the same kinds of Denier tactics if you never had any contact with such people?
Kalamata: "You are lying again, Joey.
You learned that smear tactic from your far-left atheist hero, Michael Shermer, who teaches children there is no God."
I may be sometimes mistaken, but never knowingly lie.
Here's the truth: like you, Holocaust deniers were enraged by Shermer, and just as you wish to ally with Global Warming "deniers" so Holocaust deniers were eager to ally with evolution deniers.
And like Shermer I observe the similarity in debate tactics used by Holocaust deniers and evolution deniers such as Danny Kalamata.
Kalamata: "No, Joey.
That is your modus operandi, the one you learned from the Far Left, which is, "smear them if they disagree with you."
You use the same tactic the "Climate Change" cult uses.
Frankly, Joey, you remind me of the left-wing cult-of-hate that congregate on Youtube, minus the vulgar language. "
I know nothing about such YouTube, face-chat or snap-book, whatever...
Well... then consider this curious fact: Holocaust deniers would not consider themselves to be "smeared" by association to evolution deniers, but many Global Warming "skeptics" would consider themselves smeared by any linkage to either evolution or Holocaust denial.
In other words, in the hierarchy of denials, Global Warming skeptics stand at the peak of respectability as still legitimate scientifically, while evolution denial ranks down in the pits along with Holocaust denial and, oh, say, flat-Earth people.
That's not to say you are any of those others, only that your methods & tactics are remarkably similar.
Kalamata: "Ironically, Joey, those same tactics you use of, smear, smear, smear, indirectly led me to learn evolution was a giant hoax.
A friend, who believed in evolution at the time, stumbled across a Youtube video loaded with hateful, cursing anti-creationists.
That aroused his suspicion enough to examine, for the first time, the claims of evolutionists.
It didn't take long before he realized the emperor (evolution) had no clothes.
He later asked me to take a close look at the geological column; and soon thereafter I became a young earth creationist.
It is all about the science, Joey.
Nothing personal."
I've seen nothing resembling what you claim.
I have read books on the subject and have seen nothing to seriously contradict it.
Here is another example of reasoned discourse available online.
Kalamata: "Those childish "Denier Rules" you co-opted from the Far Left fit you much better than they fit me, Joey.
In fact, you are adept at the use of Leftist tactics, Joey. Who trained you?"
That's just Denier Rule #5, which you just can't stop obeying regardless of how "childish" you pretend they are.
Kalamata: "I was speaking for myself, Joey, not for you."
And you respond to, for example, a Natural History museum precisely the same way a Holocaust denier responds to a Holocaust museum: "I SEE NOTHING!".
Kalamata: "Evidence is evidence, Joey.
If there IS NO evidence for Evolution in a museum, then only those with vivid imaginations CAN see evidence.
On the other hand, if there IS evidence for the holocaust in a museum, only those with vivid imaginations CANNOT see it.
I don't have a vivid imagination, like you, Joey.
I am a scientist."
Sure you are, riiiiiiight!
You are a scientist in precisely the same sense as Holocaust deniers claimed to be "real historians" while claiming that all other historians were just "hoax-story-ians".
Kalamata: "The Far-Left uses the same Jedi mind-tricks on those who refuse to worship at the altar of the evolutionism cult that they use on those who refuse to worship at the altar of the climate change cult.
They label those who refuse to bow as a "denier," or worse."
By the way, that constant repetition of "worship at the alter" nonsense is yet another tactic which links you to Holocaust deniers -- they were forever refusing to "worship at the alter" of Jewish historians!
It's why I think, if you didn't learn it directly from them, you did go to the same Denier University.
You were part of Denier University's Matriculated Body of Students.
Kalamata: "But the Truth has finally regained the upper hand, and the cultists are panicing."
And that is Denier Rule #13:
"Final Rule, when you've been totally defeated, when your lies are exposed, when your "logic" is revealed as nonsense, when nothing you say is believable, then Declare Total Victory! Announce that your side has already won and your despicable opponents are fading into history, nothing is left of their arguments but your victory dance in their football end zone."
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Kalamata post #456: "I asked you a simple question, Joey. There is no need to get all snow-flake hysterical on us? For the record, are you denying that you have been insinuating I am a holocaust denier because I refuse to worship at the altar of evolutionism? Just checking to see if you are the denier."
>>Joey said: "Oh, my baby Danny boy, in your terrible-twos-like rage you're simply bouncing from one insane accusation to another, none of them making any sense."
Every post by you seems to be more immature than the last, Joey. Are your evil deeds getting the best of you?
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>>Joey said: "Yes, it's true, I have long wondered if Danny-boy is nothing more than an old Holocaust denier now retread and repurposed to evolution denial using the same Denier Tactics, "logic" and personal attacks they used? What else could explain your insane rage, the same as theirs, at Michael Shermer?"
Joey has no other way to defend his religion of evolutionism than to slander. He, like his hero, the atheist Michael Shermer, are typical Leftists.
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>>Joey said: "Of course I have noticed significant differences, beginning with the worst of their vulgarity."
That is more of the same obfuscation. Joey slanders, and then pretends he didn't.
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>>Joey said: "But not all were vulgar, indeed some Holocaust deniers considered themselves good Christians who were 100% convinced of two "facts": Their own Christian German ancestors and relatives were not capable of such mass destruction. The Jews" were totally capable of mass deception. So they believed the entire "Holo-hoax" was a product of Jewish propaganda and that is how they could spend all day in a Holocaust museum and never see any evidence!"
That is same tactic used by Joey's hero: the anti-Christian, anti-God, Climate-Change propagandist, Michael Shermer.
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>>Joey said: "And such denier tactics are the same ones you use to deny evolution."
That is another tactic of the atheist Left: associate "science" deniers with the Holocaust, only in this case I am not denying science, but pseudoscience, which the scientifically-challenged, like Joey has been fooled into believing is science.
It won't be long before the Leftist Joey labels me a Nazi! Imagine that, a Nazi Jew?
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>>Joey said: "So I think it's a legitimate question of how it is that Danny-boy uses the same kinds of Denier tactics if you never had any contact with such people?"
Since misdirection is a significant part of Joey's strategy, it is very possible Joey is a closet Holocaust denier, and doesn't want anyone to know. Among conservatives, there is a certain stigma attached to being a Holocaust denier, so Joey has to be careful not to give himself away. Among his friends on the Left, he doesn't have to be so cautious.
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>>Kalamata: "You are lying again, Joey. You learned that smear tactic from your far-left atheist hero, Michael Shermer, who teaches children there is no God."
>>Joey said: "I may be sometimes mistaken, but never knowingly lie."
You do tend to believe your own lies, Joey, so perhaps you are a pathological liar?
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>>Joey said: "Here's the truth: like you, Holocaust deniers were enraged by Shermer, and just as you wish to ally with Global Warming "deniers" so Holocaust deniers were eager to ally with evolution deniers."
Shermer is an anti-Christian, God-hating bigot, first and foremost! I sincerely believe he co-wrote the book about the Holocaust, not only as a good money-maker, but also as a tool to slander the Right by association, as a tool to cover-up Charlie Darwin's implication in the Holocaust, and as a tool to cover up the anti-semitic hatred spewed by his friends on the Left.
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>>Joey said: "And like Shermer I observe the similarity in debate tactics used by Holocaust deniers and evolution deniers such as Danny Kalamata."
Anyone who criticizes Charlie Darwin is worse than Hitler, to Joey and Shermer. You see, Charlie Darwin is their prophet.
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>>Kalamata: "No, Joey. That is your modus operandi, the one you learned from the Far Left, which is, "smear them if they disagree with you. You use the same tactic the "Climate Change" cult uses. Frankly, Joey, you remind me of the left-wing cult-of-hate that congregate on Youtube, minus the vulgar language."
>>Joey said: "I know nothing about such YouTube, face-chat or snap-book, whatever..."
That is odd? You deceive and slander exactly like they do, except for the vulgar language.
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>>Joey said: "Well... then consider this curious fact: Holocaust deniers would not consider themselves to be "smeared" by association to evolution deniers, but many Global Warming "skeptics" would consider themselves smeared by any linkage to either evolution or Holocaust denial. In other words, in the hierarchy of denials, Global Warming skeptics stand at the peak of respectability as still legitimate scientifically, while evolution denial ranks down in the pits along with Holocaust denial and, oh, say, flat-Earth people. That's not to say you are any of those others, only that your methods & tactics are remarkably similar."
Holocaust deniers are almost exclusively Leftists, Joey. Your obfuscation will not change that fact. But I do believe I understand your point: Holocaust deniers use the same smear tactics as Moses deniers.
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>>Kalamata: "Ironically, Joey, those same tactics you use of, smear, smear, smear, indirectly led me to learn evolution was a giant hoax. A friend, who believed in evolution at the time, stumbled across a Youtube video loaded with hateful, cursing anti-creationists. That aroused his suspicion enough to examine, for the first time, the claims of evolutionists. It didn't take long before he realized the emperor (evolution) had no clothes. He later asked me to take a close look at the geological column; and soon thereafter I became a young earth creationist. It is all about the science, Joey. Nothing personal."
>>Joey said: "I've seen nothing resembling what you claim. I have read books on the subject and have seen nothing to seriously contradict it."
You will not find it in Wikipedia, but there is considerable doubt about evolution, and it dates back to Darwin himself and his lamentation over the lack of gradual transitional fossils.
There are also doubts among evolutionists that evolution could be responsible for some animal features. This is from a 1970 paper by Tony Frazzetta:
"Most evolutionary transformations can be envisioned as a sort of continuous change, where one structural condition melts gradually into another. In the framework of such a view, bolyerines are clearly difficult. A movable joint dividing the maxilla into two segments seems to have either a presence or absence, with no intermediate to connect the two conditions. The overall similarities of the bolyerine skull with that of terrestrial boids do not suggest a major overhaul in cranial structure. Instead, it appears that the significant evolutionary changes in the upper jaw were fairly direct." [Tony H. Frazzetta, "From Hopeful Monsters to Bolyerine Snakes." The American Naturalist, Vol.104, No.935; Jan-Feb, 1970, pp.62-63]
Frazzetta realized that intermediate forms of the upper jaw would be impossible. Every part, including the muscles and ligaments, had to evolve simultaneously. Stephen Jay Gould mentioned that in one of his essays:
"On the isolated island of Mauritius, former home of the dodo, two genera of boid snakes (a large group that includes pythons and boa constrictors) share a feature present in no other terrestrial vertebrate: the maxillary bone of the upperjaw is split into front and rear halves, connected by a movable joint. In 1970, my friend Tom Frazzetta published a paper entitled "From Hopeful Monsters to Bolyerine Snakes?" He considered every preadaptive possibility he could imagine and rejected them in favor of discontinuous transition. How can a jawbone be half broken?" [Stephen Jay Gould, "The Return of Hopeful Monsters." Natural History, 86(6); June-July, 1977]
What those two didn’t realize is, the parts of every organism are symbotic in nature. For example, for the blood to survive, you need blood vessels, heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, stomach, etc.; and each of those parts needs the others, as well.
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>>Joey said: "Here is another example of reasoned discourse available online."
It is deceptive, Joey. It attempts to conflate built-in hereditary potential and built-in variations within the dog family to the unobservable imaginations of common descent by evolutionism theorists. The scientifically-challenged, like you, can be easily fooled by it.
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>>Kalamata: "Those childish "Denier Rules" you co-opted from the Far Left fit you much better than they fit me, Joey. In fact, you are adept at the use of Leftist tactics, Joey. Who trained you?"
>>Joey said: "That's just Denier Rule #5, which you just can't stop obeying regardless of how "childish" you pretend they are."
I assume that means you are not going to tell us who trained you.
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>>Kalamata: "I was speaking for myself, Joey, not for you."
>>Joey said: "And you respond to, for example, a Natural History museum precisely the same way a Holocaust denier responds to a Holocaust museum: "I SEE NOTHING!".
That rules me out of being a Holocaust denier, Joey. I see plenty of evidence for the Holocaust; just none for evolution.
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>>Kalamata: "Evidence is evidence, Joey. If there IS NO evidence for Evolution in a museum, then only those with vivid imaginations CAN see evidence. On the other hand, if there IS evidence for the holocaust in a museum, only those with vivid imaginations CANNOT see it. I don't have a vivid imagination, like you, Joey. I am a scientist."
>>Joey said: "Sure you are, riiiiiiight! You are a scientist in precisely the same sense as Holocaust deniers claimed to be "real historians" while claiming that all other historians were just "hoax-story-ians"."
It is obvious you are neither a scientist, nor a historian, but a story-teller.
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>>Kalamata: "The Far-Left uses the same Jedi mind-tricks on those who refuse to worship at the altar of the evolutionism cult that they use on those who refuse to worship at the altar of the climate change cult. They label those who refuse to bow as a "denier," or worse."
>>Joey said: "By the way, that constant repetition of "worship at the alter" nonsense is yet another tactic which links you to Holocaust deniers -- they were forever refusing to "worship at the alter" of Jewish historians!"
I am fond of Jewish Historians, with the exception of Far-Left charlatans like Michael Shermer. He and his ilk are disgraceful, as are his supporters. Dr. Jerry Bergman, the author of the main article for this thread, is a conservative Jewish historian who writes wonderful books on the Holocaust. Why do you not like Dr. Bergman, Joey? Is it because he rejects your religion of evolutionism, because you are antisemitic, or both?
Watch:
Jerry Bergman: Hitler’s Darwinian Worldview
Dr. Bergman has another good book on the Nazis and eugenics titled "The Darwin Effect." Maybe this is why you dislike Bergman:
"A central plank in Nazism, communism, and other totalitarianism movements was eugenics (Bergman 2012). Eugenics, the 'science' of improving the human race by scientific control of breeding, was viewed by a large percentage of all life scientists, professors, and social reformers for over a century as an important, if not a major, means of accomplishing the goal of producing paradise on earth (Sewell 2009). The formal founder of this new science was Sir Francis Galton, a cousin and close associate of Charles Darwin. Galton's work was critical in providing the foundation for a movement that culminated in contributing to the loss of tens of millions of lives, and untold suffering of hundreds of millions of people. The now-infamous eugenics movement grew from the core concepts of biological evolution — primarily those ideas expounded by Charles Darwin (Gould 1996; Himmelfarb 1959; Shannon 1920; Haller 1971; Barzun 1958). In fact, all the leading figures in the eugenics movement, including Pearson, Davenport, Forel, Ploetz, Schallmayer, etc., not just Galton, consistently maintained that Darwinism was central to their eugenics." [Bergman, Jerry, "The Darwin Effect." Master Books, 2014, Chap.3]
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>>Joey said: "It's why I think, if you didn't learn it directly from them, you did go to the same Denier University. You were part of Denier University's Matriculated Body of Students."
Wow! Aren't you clever? LOL!
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>>Kalamata: "But the Truth has finally regained the upper hand, and the cultists are panicing."
>>Joey said: "And that is Denier Rule #13: "Final Rule, when you've been totally defeated, when your lies are exposed, when your "logic" is revealed as nonsense, when nothing you say is believable, then Declare Total Victory! Announce that your side has already won and your despicable opponents are fading into history, nothing is left of their arguments but your victory dance in their football end zone."
Silly Child.
Mr. Kalamata