Kalamata post #371 cont. 2:
"You misquoted me, Joey.
Gary Steinman was Kenyon's co-author on "Biochemical Evolution".
Kenyon and Percival Davis co-authored "Of Pandas and People"." Sorry, Danny boy, but I quoted you exactly from your own post #314:
" 'Of Panda's and People' is a very good book, and highly recommended.
It is co-authored by Professor Dean Kenyon, a former evolutionist, who, along with Dr. Gary Steinman [authored the 1969 origin-of-life book "Biochemical Predestination" (McGraw-Hill) – a very professional book which received rave reviews from evolutionists:]"
Seriously, I make plenty enough mistakes on my own without also taking the blame for your mistakes.
Kalamata: "As ususal, Joey over-hyped the Dover trial by falsely claiming the school board was trying to ram Intelligent Design down everyone's throats, which they clearly were not."
Danny boy, you got to stop lying about these things, the truth is not what you claim.
The truth, in a nutshell, is the "Dover" government school board created an anti-evolution statement they required science teachers to read, teachers refused, parents sued and voters fired the creationist school board.
Here is a pretty good summary of Kitzmiller v Dover.
It takes about two hours to watch, but covers the subject and makes the key point that the term "Intelligent Design" is simply Creationism renamed for legal purposes.
Kalamata: "The follow-up volume for "Of Pandas and People" is called, "The Design of Life", by William Dembski and Jonathan Wells."
I'll put it on my list.
Kalamata: "The one "downside" is, you will not find any name-calling or slurs in these books, which are prevalent in evolutionism books."
And also far too prevalent in Danny Denier's posts.
Kalamata: "While you are emotionally coping with that cartoon, Joey, other people are concerned about babies heads bing crushed with heavy forceps as a result of the lingering eugenics mindset instilled in many by Social Darwinism."
Oh Danny boy, it may surprise you to learn that the US Supreme Court in Roe v Wade never once mentioned either Darwin, "Social Darwinism" or evolution.
What they did mention, iirc, was the US Constitution and an alleged "right to privacy" which somehow got expanded in the Supremes' minds to "right to kill unborn babies."
{sigh}
Kalamata: "You are mocking the work of some of the top mathematicians in the world, Joey?"
Just as Danny Denier mocks any scientist or mathematician you disagree with, right?
G.I.G.O. -- regardless of how "genius" a mathematician might be, if his basic assumptions are wrong, his results will be... yes, garbage.
Kalamata: "You have to be severely scientifically-challenged to believe the human body evolved by materialistic dumb luck."
Most Christian churches teach just what I believe -- that regardless of what theories science proposes today, God was the designer, creator and implementer of every natural process.
In other words, unless God Himself intended it, there is no such thing as "dumb luck".
Kalamata: "Science is deaf and dumb, Joey.
Scientists, on the other hand can and do choose to say things about the Bible, except when suppressed by tyrants."
Right, just as I've posted before: every scientist regardless is entitled to their nonscientific opinions.
What they are not entitled is to label such opinions as "science".
Kalamata: "You claim your religious views are science, Joey?
Why are you privileged?"
Seriously, why do you keep lying?
You know your job here requires a man of impeccable honesty and you just don't have it.
If I were your boss, I'd fire your sorry r..... ![]()
>>Kalamata post #371 cont. 2: "You misquoted me, Joey. Gary Steinman was Kenyon's co-author on "Biochemical Evolution". Kenyon and Percival Davis co-authored "Of Pandas and People"."
>>Joey: "Sorry, Danny boy, but I quoted you exactly from your own post #314: >>Joey quoting me, sorta: "'Of Panda's and People' is a very good book, and highly recommended. It is co-authored by Professor Dean Kenyon, a former evolutionist, who, along with Dr. Gary Steinman [authored the 1969 origin-of-life book "Biochemical Predestination" (McGraw-Hill) – a very professional book which received rave reviews from evolutionists:] >>Joey: "Seriously, I make plenty enough mistakes on my own without also taking the blame for your mistakes."
No, Joey boy. My original quote included the part you placed in brackets, which you excluded in your previous post. To the casual reader, your omission made it appear Kenyon and Steinman were the co-authors of "Of Panda's and People." They were not. I wanted to make that clear to those seeking to obtain the book.
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>>Kalamata: "As ususal, Joey over-hyped the Dover trial by falsely claiming the school board was trying to ram Intelligent Design down everyone's throats, which they clearly were not."
>>Joey boy: "Danny boy, you got to stop lying about these things, the truth is not what you claim. the truth, in a nutshell, is the "Dover" government school board created an anti-evolution statement they required science teachers to read, teachers refused, parents sued and voters fired the creationist school board."
There was nothing anti-evolution about it. It was an "examine both sides of the evidence" policy, which evolutionists can never allow if they expect to remain in power and continue to feed heavily at the public (taxpayer) trough. It is all about power and money to the deep-state establishment, which includes the evolution and climate-change cults.
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>>Joey boy: "Here is a pretty good summary of Kitzmiller v Dover. It takes about two hours to watch, but covers the subject and makes the key point that the term "Intelligent Design" is simply Creationism renamed for legal purposes."
That is atheist spin, Joey boy! I cannot believe you are defending that treachery against our Constitution!
The activities of the school board was a state, and NOT a federal matter! The judge is a judicial activist who chose to operate outside his jurisdiction. Further, he judged according the myth of separation of church and state, promoted by the ACLU and the atheism/evolutionism cult, rather than the Constitution.
The myth of separation of church and state is based on the BIG lie that the STATE is a combination of the several states AND the federal government. If you believe that, you may as well throw the constitution in the trash can. In your case, Joey boy, I assume you already have, considering how strongly you defend a corrupt, activist judge who took his ruling out of the notes of the anti-American, anti-Free Republic, ACLU!
The Constitution gives the states and the people the power over religion by prohibiting ONLY the Federal Government from establishing a STATE [federal] religion. That provides a separation of powers over religion between the states and the federal government -- a WALL OF SEPARATION -- that renders the federal government meddling in the religious affairs of the states and the people to be an act of tyranny.
But what is given by the framers can also be taken away by activist gangsters pretending to be impartial judges, and that is exactly what has gradually happened since the first usurpation by the Hamiltonian gangster and Chief Justice, John Marshall in the early 1800's; and that is what Judge Jones is guilty of. He was the criminal in the Dover case. The ACLU and NCSE were co-conspirators.
George Washington warned us about the "consolidation of powers" into one branch of government:
"It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those intrusted with its administration to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power and proneness to abuse it which predominates in the human heart is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositories, and constituting each the guardian of the public weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern, some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them." [George Washington, "Farewell Address." 1796]
Perhaps you should pay more attention to what our framers said, rather than the ACLU, little Joey.
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>>Kalamata: "The follow-up volume for "Of Pandas and People" is called, "The Design of Life", by William Dembski and Jonathan Wells."
>>Joey: "I'll put it on my list."
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>>Kalamata: "The one "downside" is, you will not find any name-calling or slurs in these books, which are prevalent in evolutionism books."
>>Joey: "And also far too prevalent in Danny Denier's posts."
I am a counter-puncher, nasty boy. I am kind to strangers, until they get nasty, like you did, and are.
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>>Kalamata: "While you are emotionally coping with that cartoon, Joey, other people are concerned about babies heads bing crushed with heavy forceps as a result of the lingering eugenics mindset instilled in many by Social Darwinism."
>>Joey: "Oh Danny boy, it may surprise you to learn that the US Supreme Court in Roe v Wade never once mentioned either Darwin, "Social Darwinism" or evolution. What they did mention, iirc, was the US Constitution and an alleged "right to privacy" which somehow got expanded in the Supremes' minds to "right to kill unborn babies." {sigh}
It that called a straw-man, or a red-herring?
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>>Kalamata: "You are mocking the work of some of the top mathematicians in the world, Joey?"
>>Joey: "Just as Danny Denier mocks any scientist or mathematician you disagree with, right? G.I.G.O. -- regardless of how "genius" a mathematician might be, if his basic assumptions are wrong, his results will be... yes, garbage."
I have been designing science- and engineering-based software since the 80's, and I know what you said to be absolutely true.
For example, if you falsely assume 95% of the DNA is junk, calculations based on that figure will most likely be useless junk. That is called an algorithm or design error. If your algorithm is correct, but you make one tiny mistake in coding, the results can range from mildly problematic to disastrous. The same occurs during random mutation of the genetic code. The only way such errors can be minimized, and useful functionality can be created, is via an intelligent designer. This is not rocket science, Joey. It is just the way it is.
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>>Kalamata: "You have to be severely scientifically-challenged to believe the human body evolved by materialistic dumb luck."
>>Joey: "Most Christian churches teach just what I believe -- that regardless of what theories science proposes today, God was the designer, creator and implementer of every natural process. In other words, unless God Himself intended it, there is no such thing as "dumb luck".
Are you saying you believe in intelligently-designed natural processes, Joey? Perhaps you misspoke. No die-hard evolutionist believes in intelligently-designed natural processes.
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>>Kalamata: "Science is deaf and dumb, Joey. Scientists, on the other hand can and do choose to say things about the Bible, except when suppressed by tyrants."
>>Joey: "Right, just as I've posted before: every scientist regardless is entitled to their nonscientific opinions. What they are not entitled is to label such opinions as "science".
Evolution is not science, Joey, but rather, according to Charles Darwin, a theological opinion. This is Charlie:
"With respect to the theological view of the question; this is always painful to me.— I am bewildered.— I had no intention to write atheistically. But I own that I cannot see, as plainly as others do, & as I sh[oul]d wish to do, evidence of design & beneficence on all sides of us. There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent & omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidæ with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars, or that a cat should play with mice. Not believing this, I see no necessity in the belief that the eye was expressly designed. On the other hand I cannot anyhow be contented to view this wonderful universe & especially the nature of man, & to conclude that everything is the result of brute force. I am inclined to look at everything as resulting from designed laws, with the details, whether good or bad, left to the working out of what we may call chance." ["Charles Darwin To Asa Gray - Down Bromley Kent - 22 May, 1860." Darwin Correspondence Project]
Charlie played God when he overruled the Word of God, Joey. That is theology, not science. More accurately, that is the theology of Satan:
"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." -- 2Th 2:4 KJV
Are you ready to ban the theological teaching of evolution from public schools under the ACLU doctrine of "separation of church and state?" Probably not. It was never about science with you, Joey, but power!
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>>Kalamata: "You claim your religious views are science, Joey? Why are you privileged?"
>>Joey: "Seriously, why do you keep lying? You know your job here requires a man of impeccable honesty and you just don't have it. If I were your boss, I'd fire your sorry r..... "
Child, no one in his or her right mind would work for you.
Mr. Kalamata