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SCIENCE AND THEOLOGY
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>>Joe the Science Denier says, "The honest answer is: maybe, scientifically (as opposed to theologically) we don't know for sure.
We know what God told us. He had his scribes write it down for us so we would have no excuse.
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>>Joe the Science Denier says, "Evolution answers many, but far from all, questions about natural history. It supports and is supported by our understandings in biology, geology, cosmology, physics & medicine, among others.
That is little more than hearsay. I have been seeking those answers that you claim to be "out there" for 7 or 8 years, but all I get are generalities, like the one you just spewed. No one seems to know where to find the evidence for evolution, or any scientific use for evolution. But the fanatics are "certain" someone else knows.
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>>Kalamata: "Science doesn’t reject anything."
>>Joe the Science Denier says, "Science absolutely rejects your anti-science ideas.
You are so brainwashed you don't even know what science is. Here, learn from a genius:
"Learn from science that you must doubt the experts. As a matter of fact, I can also define science another way: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. When someone says science teaches such and such, he is using the word incorrectly. Science doesn't teach it; experience teaches it. If they say to you science has shown such and such, you might ask,"How does science show it—how did the scientists find out-how, what, where?" Not science has shown, but this experiment, this effect, has shown. And you have as much right as anyone else, upon hearing about the experiments (but we must listen to all the evidence), to judge whether a reusable conclusion has been arrived at." [Feynman, Richard P., "The Pleasure Of Finding Things Out: The Best Short Works Of Richard Feynman." Perseus Publishing, 1999, p.187]
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>>Kalamata: "You are lying again, Joe. I would never claim the Bible condemns science. To the contrary. The Bible promotes science."
>>And that is one of your biggest lies. You can only pretend it's true by redefining such words to suit your own nefarious purposes.
Now that I look back, I think it might have been you who claimed the Bible rejected science, or marginalized it. Let's see, you wrote:
"Nothing in the Bible is natural-science as we understand the term. Nor is there any suggestion that the Bible even cares whether it matches to today’s science or not." [Alinsky Joe]
"It’s not a matter of “erasing the Bible from science,” because the Bible was never part of science." [Alinsky Joe]
"Maybe, but the Bible doesn't give a … hoot about science, science is not its purpose." [Alinsky Joe]
It seems you cannot keep track of your own lies, Alinsky Joe.
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>>Joe the Science Denier says, "But you've observed nothing, zero.Your "science" is theology, nothing else.
I am not an evolutionist, so quit accusing me of being one.
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>>Joe the Science Denier says, "Your theology, by contrast, cannot ever correct itself since it insists it's perfect to begin with. That explains why theologians like Kalamata don't see.
I am not a theologian, but thanks for the promotion, anyway. In a meantime I will continue to expose the faith-based religion disguised as science, called evolutionism.
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>>Joe the Science Denier says, "There's nothing, zero, of natural-science in such "gems" as you call them. They are the opposite of natural, they are creation by divine supernatural actions.
Of course they are. Jesus created everything, including ocean currents, which were discovered and mapped by this fellow after finding one of those scientific gems in the Bible:
https://creation.com/matthew-maury
The Bible also teaches that the life of the body is in the blood. Too bad for the many who lost their lives to the pseudo-science of blood-letting.
The Bible also teaches us to thoroughly wash with clean water if we become contaminated with blood from another person. Yet, foolish doctors a few centuries ago paraded their blood-stained hands around like a badge of honor, rather than wash them between patients, resulting in countless women dying of infection during childbirth.
Only a fool would ignore the science in the Bible.
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>>Joe the Science Denier says, "Says the denier whose entire argument is a slander on natural-science and even on the Bible he pretends to defend."
Quit lying. I love natural science. That is why I despise the religions of evolutionism and uniformitarian "geology" which have corrupted natural science.
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>>Joe the Science Denier says, "Your purposes here are theological, thinly disguised as science."
That would be you, and all of your fellow evolutionist-faithful.
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>>Joe the Science Denier says, "One cannot discuss Creationism without getting into theology. My purpose is to defend both traditional theology and natural-science.
Your fanaticism is to slander those who believe the words of Moses, while parading the religion of evolutionism around as if it were real science.
This may come as a surprise to you, but Christians have no choice but to believe the words of Moses: from the creation narrative, to the flood narrative, and forward:
"If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." -- Luk 16:31 KJV
Of course, ignorance is an excuse, until you hear the truth. Then you have no cloak for it.
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>>Joe the Science Denier says, "You don't speak for science or scientists. You speak only for your own misunderstandings of the Bible.
I speak for real scientists, not evolutionists.
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>>Joe the Science Denier says, "You are here to cast aspersions on science and its defenders.
Not me. I am here to defend science from the corruption of the religion of evolutionism.
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>>Joe the Science Denier says, "I am here to defend both science and the Bible, properly understood."
How can you defend something you don't understand?
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>>Kalamata: "That is exactly how the orthodoxy promotes evolutionism — as theology."
>>Joe the Science Denier says, "I agree that atheists searching for some kind of spiritual meaning may glom onto anything, including science. But I strongly disagree that evolution is necessarily contextualized as a "substitute for religion".
If there was any observable evidence for evolution -- any at all, I would agree. No more than seven or eight years ago I believed there was overwhelming evidence for evolution, because that is what was drummed in my head, Goebbels-style, for about 60 years.
Practically every science book I studied in college gave at least lip service to evolution; and even when problems with the theory were revealed to me later on (such as the lack of transitional fossils by Gould and Eldredge,) the authors never expressed any doubts about the validity of evolution. That is the way it is with a religious cult: they can bicker among themselves, but no one criticizes their god, in this case, the god of Charlie Darwin, the prophet.
But, within this decade, I was encouraged by a friend to take a close look at the strata. I soon realized there was no way there could be millions of years, or even years between those layers -- between any of them: a few months maybe, but not years. Once you see it, you cannot unsee it!
Now, without the baggage of "millions of years" and "common descent," the science of life and earth geology is crystal clear.
Mr. Kalamata
Kalamata:
">>Joe the Science Denier says..." Still rules #5 & #6, post #272.
Kalamata: "We know what God told us.
He had his scribes write it down for us so we would have no excuse."
Exactly right, your opinions are theology, not science.
Kalamata: "I have been seeking those answers that you claim to be "out there" for 7 or 8 years, but all I get are generalities, like the one you just spewed.
No one seems to know where to find the evidence for evolution, or any scientific use for evolution.
But the fanatics are "certain" someone else knows."
Here are two sites which address your search for evolution uses directly:
- Practical applications
- The Value of Science
Kalamata:
"You are so brainwashed you don't even know what science is.
Here, learn from a genius:
Feynman 1999: 'Learn from science that you must doubt the experts...' " Seting aside your use of Rules #5, #6 & #7, Feynman is correct on this point.
Kalamata: "Now that I look back, I think it might have been you who claimed the Bible rejected science, or marginalized it.
Let's see, you wrote:"
Rules #2, #5, #6, #7 & #8.
The Bible is all about God's rule over nature and His power to overrule it.
The Bible doesn't care about natural laws except to show God's control of them.
Kalamata: "It seems you cannot keep track of your own lies, Alinsky Joe."
Still more of Rules #2, #5, #6, #7 .
Kalamata: "I am not an evolutionist, so quit accusing me of being one."
Rule #2.
Kalamata: "I am not a theologian, but thanks for the promotion, anyway.
In a meantime I will continue to expose the faith-based religion disguised as science, called evolutionism."
Rules #1, #2 & #6.
Kalamata claiming Creation events were "natural": "Of course they are. Jesus created everything, including ocean currents..."
Rule #2.
Kalamata: "Only a fool would ignore the science in the Bible."
The Bible is full of good advise for us.
But it also insists that God rules nature and can overrule it.
Kalamata: "Quit lying.
I love natural science.
That is why I despise the religions of evolutionism and uniformitarian "geology" which have corrupted natural science."
Rules #1, #2 .
Kalamata on "theology disguised as science": "That would be you, and all of your fellow evolutionist-faithful."
Rule #5.
Kalamata: "Your fanaticism is to slander those who believe the words of Moses, while parading the religion of evolutionism around as if it were real science."
Rules #2, #6 & #7.
Kalamata: "This may come as a surprise to you, but Christians have no choice but to believe the words of Moses: from the creation narrative, to the flood narrative, and forward:"
First, those words do not mean what you claim.
Second, they are not science.
Kalamata: "I speak for real scientists, not evolutionists."
Rules #2 & #6.
Kalamata: "I am here to defend science from the corruption of the religion of evolutionism."
Rules #2 & #6.
Kalamata: "How can you defend something you don't understand?"
As best as I understand.
Kalamata: "But, within this decade, I was encouraged by a friend to take a close look at the strata.
I soon realized there was no way there could be millions of years, or even years between those layers -- between any of them: a few months maybe, but not years.
Once you see it, you cannot unsee it!"
Rules #1, #2, #6 & #9.
Kalamata: "Now, without the baggage of "millions of years" and "common descent," the science of life and earth geology is crystal clear."
Rules #1, #2, #6 & #9. ![]()