[Kalamata]

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GENETICS AND DNA
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>> Joe the Science Denier says, "As for research, what, exactly, was all that discussion of the 2012 ENCODE report? Some people even claim ENCODE itself falsifies evolution, don't they?"

ENCODE is the proverbial camel's nose under the tent, and no doubt the evolutionism high-priesthood will resist as long as they can. But, for all practical purposes, evolutionism is a dead religion. Good riddance.

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>>Kalamata: "Evolution has nothing to do with medicine, or DNA. Evolutionists have attempted to hijack the prestige of them, but their folly will not continue much longer."
>>Joe the Science Denier says, "Again you sound like those Holocaust deniers I debated almost 20 years ago, they loudly proclaiming the debate was over, their side won, the Holocaust was disappearing from history, even while they themselves, like the Wicked Witch of the East from Dorothy's water were rapidly melting away.

Your lying is pathological, Alinsky Joe. You have never debated a holocaust denier, except perhaps in the mirror. Frankly, I think you are a projecting your holocaust denial onto me, like a good little Alinskite.

Why did you avoid my statement about medicine and DNA, Alinsky Joe? Everyone know why. Evolution is 100% useless. It does nothing except corrupt whatever it comes in contact with.

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>>Kalamata: "You gotta stop lying, Joe. Every geneticist worth his salt knows that speciation is the result of breaking genes, not gaining new ones."
>>Joe the Science Denier says, "Every geneticist worth his/her salt knows that speciation is the result of changes in DNA, not "gaining" or "breaking" genes.

That is pretty ignorant of you, Alinsky Joe. See if this helps you get up to speed:

"This book, however, concentrates on completely unexpected, devastating new problems that could only have come to light after major recent advances in technical methods for probing the molecular level of life. With surpassing irony it turns out that, as with the polar bear, Darwinian evolution proceeds mainly by damaging or breaking genes, which, counterintuitively, sometimes helps survival. In other words, the mechanism is powerfully devolutionary. It promotes the rapid loss of genetic information. Laboratory experiments, field research, and theoretical studies all forcefully indicate that, as a result, random mutation and natural selection make evolution self-limiting. That is, the very same factors that promote diversity at the simplest levels of biology actively prevent it at more complex ones. Darwin's mechanism works chiefly by squandering genetic information for short-term gain." [Michael J. Behe, "Darwin Devolves." HarperOne, 2019, Chap.1]

"Its inexorable predilection to hastily squander genetic information for short-term gain—encapsulated by the First Rule of Adaptive Evolution—guarantees that Darwin's mechanism is powerfully devolutionary and explains why unguided evolution is self-limiting. Ironically, random mutation and natural selection do help form new species and new genera, but chiefly by promoting the loss of genetic abilities. Over time, dwindling degradatory options fence in an evolutionary lineage, halting organismal change before it crosses the family line" [Ibid. Chap.10

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>>Joe the Science Denier says, "Natural-science is a really big subject."

No doubt, and getting bigger every day. The complexity of the cell is becoming more and more mind-boggling with every new discovery. However, if we get rid of the unnecessary and very heavy baggage of evolutionism, science will be much more managable.

Mr. Kalamata

[BroJoeK]

Kalamata: "Joe the Science Denier says..."

Still Rules #5 & #7.

Kalamata: "ENCODE is the proverbial camel's nose under the tent, and no doubt the evolutionism high-priesthood will resist as long as they can.
But, for all practical purposes, evolutionism is a dead religion.
Good riddance."

So you are back to claiming ENCODE is anti-evolution?
And this despite the fact that nobody in ENCODE agrees with you?

As for "dead end religion", that's still Rule #5.

Kalamata: "Your lying is pathological, Alinsky Joe.
You have never debated a holocaust denier, except perhaps in the mirror.
Frankly, I think you are a projecting your holocaust denial onto me, like a good little Alinskite."

Those are Rules #5, #6, #7 & #8.

Kalamata: "Why did you avoid my statement about medicine and DNA, Alinsky Joe?
Everyone know why.
Evolution is 100% useless.
It does nothing except corrupt whatever it comes in contact with."

Rules #6 & #7.

What did you say about medicine and DNA?
If you claimed that cutting edge DNA research has nothing to do with evolution, that would be Rule #6.

Kalamata quoting Behe: "Darwinian evolution proceeds mainly by damaging or breaking genes, which, counterintuitively, sometimes helps survival.
In other words, the mechanism is powerfully devolutionary....
That is, the very same factors that promote diversity at the simplest levels of biology actively prevent it at more complex ones.
Darwin's mechanism works chiefly by squandering genetic information for short-term gain." [Michael J. Behe, "Darwin Devolves." HarperOne, 2019, Chap.1]"

Translated into normal English: the processes of evolution can include devolution, meaning life does not always "complexify" but can also simplify.
Behe mentions polar bears which turn out to be much more closely related to brown bears than previously understood.
Behe seems to think it's a problem, but how big can that "problem" be if the two species routinely interbreed?

Kalamata quoting Behe: "Over time, dwindling degradatory options fence in an evolutionary lineage, halting organismal change before it crosses the family line"

Rules #2 & #6.

Kalamata: "However, if we get rid of the unnecessary and very heavy baggage of evolutionism, science will be much more managable."

More Rule #6.