ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE AND LIFE
>>Kalamata: “Evolutionism and big-bangism are based on magic.”
>>Joe the Science Denier says, “You just can’t stop yourself from lying, can you?
Your do know that your lying becomes pathological once you start believing your own lies, don’t you?
Now, to magic. These are the 3 universe creation stories, according to the Moses-hating evolutionist:
1) The universe magically exploded into existence from nothing.
2) The universe magically exploded into existence from a magic cosmic egg
3) The universe magically exploded into existence from a singularity, whatever that is.
Well, there is also a 4th called the ‘multi-verse”, where a gazillion of so universes magically appear, or were always out there in la-la land, somewhere; and they all evolved. Our universe just happened to be the lucky one that got everything right. I kid you not! LOL!
These are the origin of life stories from the Moses-hating evolutionist:
1) Life magically arose from primordial soup.
2) Life magically formed as molecules on clay
3) Life magically formed in deep-sea vents
4) Life magically formed in ice-covered oceans
5) Life magically formed from RNA, which magically appeared out of nowhere
6) Life was magically formed in outer space and somehow ended up here
There are probably others. The common thread is a wild imagination, and “magic”.
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>>Joe the Science Denier says, “I think we agree that the Universe was designed intelligently. The question on the table here is whether it was designed intelligently enough to, on its own, without further divine intervention, “grow” life from the “seeds” of organic matter?”
Did you ever wonder who imagined that silliness about “no divine intervention”? They certainly fooled you, and me too for a long time.
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>>Joe the Science Denier says, “But if the Universe was designed to create life on its own would that not be the ultimate in Intelligence and theological proof of God?”
No. What good is a creation if there is no one around to enjoy it with. The ultimate proof of God is that he created man in his own image, rendering man to be vastly different from any other living creature that he created. God’s image is Jesus Christ:
“[Jesus,] who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:” — Col 1:15 KJV
So, when we read that someone is sitting on God’s throne, that someone is Jesus, since God is invisible:
“And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.” — Rev 4:2 KJV
We are created in that image — the image of him who sits on that throne.
Mr. Kalamata
Kalamata:
"Joe the Science Denier says..." That's a blatant example of my Rule for Deniers, #5, post #272.
Kalamata: "Your do know that your lying becomes pathological once you start believing your own lies, don’t you?"
That would be my Rules #5, #6 & #7.
Kalamata: "Now, to magic.
These are the 3 universe creation stories, according to the Moses-hating evolutionist:
1) The universe magically exploded into existence..."
Rule #6.
In fact, science never recognizes "magic", but some theologians do.
Kalamata: "Well, there is also a 4th called the ‘multi-verse”, where a gazillion of so universes magically appear,"
There's no physical evidence for "multi-verse", it's pure speculation.
Kalamata: "These are the origin of life stories from the Moses-hating evolutionist:
1) Life magically arose from..."
Natural science, by definition, cannot recognize "magic".
Kalamata: "There are probably others.
The common thread is a wild imagination, and “magic”."
No Origin of Life proposal yet qualifies as theory and most not even as falsifiable hypotheses.
So they are at the pre-hypothesis speculation stage.
Doubtless many will prove wrong and get discarded.
But science recognizes nothing "magic".
Kalamata: "Did you ever wonder who imagined that silliness about “no divine intervention”?
They certainly fooled you, and me too for a long time."
Science is all about studying natural explanations for natural processes while leaving divine intervention to theologians.
Now, if you wish to redefine scientific theories & formulas as themselves forms of "divine intervention", that might be fine, but it's not what the Bible says.
The Bible shows God's miracles as specifically above & beyond natural laws, indeed, it's God's miracles breaking natural laws which illustrate for Biblical people His existence as God -- consider Exodus 7:9 for starters.
That's why traditionally Western thought has considered God's miracles as divine intervention and the natural realm as something different -- as something which natural science can study.
Kalamata: "No. What good is a creation if there is no one around to enjoy it with."
God's timescale is not the same as ours.
Kalamata: "We are created in that image — the image of him who sits on that throne."
Right, and that's theology, not natural-science. ![]()