Kalamata:
"Smug is your middle name." Says Danny I-don't-see-no-stinkin'-facts Kalamata.
Kalamata: "No, it was an appeal to all knuckleheads trying to do the impossible to return to science."
I doubt if any real scientist will be deterred by your or Tour's definition of "impossible".
Kalamata: "He was being kind. They lied."
And this was decided in a court of law, where Tour himself was assigned to administer punishment?
Or was it Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District where your good buddy Michael Bahe testified against evolution?
Hmmmmm…
Kalamata: "You left out the part where he wants them to quit lying to the public."
Lies as defined by Tour, punishment administered by Tour -- prosecutor, judge, jury & prison-keeper all rolled into one?
What an amazing man!
Kalamata: "Here's the ramifications of calling conjectures"facts":
•Claims that mislead the patient taxpayer are unhelpful, and the public will even distrust scientific claims into other fields."
Somehow the idea that public funds might be less available for Anthropogenic Global Warming science doesn't disappoint me so much.
Kalamata: "Okay, you show us how it is funded."
You make the claim, so you provide the evidence.
I've seen no evidence to support your claim.
Kalamata: "Only a sleazy con-man would attempt to lump holocaust deniers in with those who oppose pseudoscience.
But if that is the only argument they have to protect against threats to their fairy tale world-view, then what choice do they have?"
Here's what I know for certain: years ago I spent many months debating Holocaust deniers and they sounded & worked much like Danny I-don't-see-no-stinkin'-facts Kalamata.
Granted, they were far more vulgar, but the bottom line was: no evidence, no testimony, no logical conclusion was ever accepted as legit, so in the end, there was no Holocaust, they said.
It was the same attitude & tactics I see from Kalamata.
Kalamata: "Been there, done that, saw no evidence, only fraud."
Right, exactly like a Holocaust denier in a Holocaust museum.
Kalamata: "Admit it.
You know of no evidence for evolution, so you must resort to the party line of ad hominems and wild goose chases.
You are such a lightweight."
Right, substitute the word "Holocaust" for "evolution" and we are repeating, almost word for word, a debate which went on for many months, years ago.
Same tactics, same insults, same nonsense.
Kalamata: "Can I assume you are satisfied with the statis quo of "over-hype" and "religion" being defined by the Grand Inquisitor Richard Dawkins, and the punishment set by Pope Ken Miller?"
They like you are entitled to their opinions, beliefs, etc.
They like you are not entitled to punish people who disagree.
Kalamata: "I personally would prefer suing to get our tax dollars back from those charlatans."
But first you'd have to identify which of their funding dollars came from federal taxpayers, which you've steadfastly refused to do.
So who exactly is the "charlatan" here?
Kalamata: "The father of lies teaches men to doubt the Word of God.
The children of the father of lies teach children their ancestors were apes."
The Big Lie here is that Kalamata alone knows the true meaning of the Word of God.
As for our ancestors, the Bible teaches we were made from mud!
Sounds amazingly like abiogenesis to me.
Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
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>>Joe the Denier says, “I doubt if any real scientist will be deterred by your or Tour’s definition of ‘impossible’.”
Real scientists were not the target of James Tour’s lecture.
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>>Joe the Denier says, “And this was decided in a court of law, where Tour himself was assigned to administer punishment? Or was it Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District where your good buddy Michael Bahe testified against evolution? Hmmmmm…”
Charlie Darwin’s theory is so shady the evolutionism cult must appeal to lawyers and judges to browbeat the opposition into accepting it.
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>>Joe the Denier says, “Lies as defined by Tour, punishment administered by Tour — prosecutor, judge, jury & prison-keeper all rolled into one? What an amazing man!
Lies are lies. Wild extrapolations are also lies, when hyped as the truth, like the Origin of Life cult does.
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>>Joe the Denier says, “Somehow the idea that public funds might be less available for Anthropogenic Global Warming science doesn’t disappoint me so much.”
Your heros are promoters of the global warming scam:
Michael Shermer:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-climate-skeptics-are-wrong/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=KVvggZo8m7c
“According to [biologist Tim] Flannery, even if we reduce our CO2 emissions by 70 percent by 2050, average global temperatures will increase between 2 to 9 degrees C by 2100. This rise could lead to the melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet, which the March 24 issue of Science reports is already shrinking at a rate of 224±41 cubic kilometers per year, double the rate measured in 1996 (Los Angeles uses 1 cubic kilometer of water per year). If it and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet melt, sea levels will rise 5 to 10 meters, displacing half a billion inhabitants of coastal communities. Because of the complexity of the problem, environmental skepticism was once tenable. No longer. It is time to flip from skepticism to activism.” [Michael Shermer, “Skeptic: Viewing the World with a Rational Eye.” 2016]
Shermer had a brief hiatus from insanity of “global warming” in 2014; but the “Man-is-a-pimple-in-the-scheme-of-things Deniers” browbeat him back into submission, perhaps by accusing him of being a holocaust denier.
Donald Prothero:
“Donald Prothero has emerged as one of America’s foremost experts on and debunkers of pseudoscience of various stripes. As a world-class paleontologist and geologist he diverted precious research time to the cause of taking on the evolution deniers—creationists and their intelligent design brethren—because of the threat they pose to good science education in America. Prothero noticed that global warming skeptics and climate deniers employed the same tactics as creationists: focusing on minor anomalies in the data, interpreting normal scientific debates as indications that mainstream science is flawed, and quote mining experts to make it sound as if they were saying something in support of their denialist cause. Reality Check: How Science Deniers Threaten Our Future is Prothero’s magnum opus on all things pseudoscience, covering not only creationism and climate denial, but also other threats to a rational and sane society, including the anti-vaxxers (those who believe vaccinations cause autism and other problems and should be abandoned), the AIDS deniers (yes, believe it or not, there are still people who do not believe that HIV causes AIDS), alternative medical practitioners who deny the benefits of modern science-based medicine, the tobacco deniers (primary smoking deniers have morphed into secondhand smoking deniers), the peak oil deniers (those who hold that the supply of oil is nearly endless), and many others who employ tried-and-true strategies of selling doubt as a product.” [Forward by Michael Shermer, in, Donald R. Prothero, “Reality Check: How Science Deniers Threaten Our Future.” Indiana University Press, 2013]
“Most people reading through that list would immediately assume that it describes the creationists and their attempts to target the overwhelming scientific consensus on evolution. Indeed, the list could describe creationists, or evolution deniers—but it also describes the actions of the climate deniers (who deny global warming is real and caused by humans) as well. Indeed, the membership lists of creationists and climate change deniers have a great deal of overlap, and both causes are promoted equally by right-wing political candidates, news media (especially Fox News), and religious organizations such as the Discovery Institute.” [Ibid. Chapter 1]
You have some mighty strange heroes, Alinsky Joe.
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>>Joe the Denier says, “You make the claim, so you provide the evidence. I’ve seen no evidence to support your claim.
Suppose you tell why any private entity would fund Origin of Life research?
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>>Joe the Denier says, “Here’s what I know for certain: years ago I spent many months debating Holocaust deniers and they sounded & worked much like Danny I-don’t-see-no-stinkin’-facts Kalamata. Granted, they were far more vulgar, but the bottom line was: no evidence, no testimony, no logical conclusion was ever accepted as legit, so in the end, there was no Holocaust, they said. It was the same attitude & tactics I see from Kalamata. Right, exactly like a Holocaust denier in a Holocaust museum.
I am not buying for a minute that Alinsky Joe has ever debated a holocaust denier. He is a proven liar, not to mention being a rabid evolutionist. Frankly, I think he might be a closet holocaust denier making use of the “’Stop thief!’, first” misdirection tactic, like any well-trained Alinskite would do when push comes to shove.
Alinsky Joe lives in the world of the logical gutter; and his hatred of Evangelical Christians and Messianic Jews is undeniable. His heros, the devout atheists, climate change propagandists, and abortion advocates, Michael Shermer and Donald Prothero, have taught him well how to become an expert in the use of slander and ad hominems against anyone who speaks out against his warped view of what is and what is not science.
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>>Joe the Denier says, “Right, substitute the word “Holocaust” for “evolution” and we are repeating, almost word for word, a debate which went on for many months, years ago. Same tactics, same insults, same nonsense.”
Substitute the phrase “holocaust denier” for “creationism denier” or “intelligent design denier” in the belligerant rants of any Darwin-hugging bigot, and you will see there is no difference in tactics: same insults, same slander, same nonsense.
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>>Joe the Denier says, “But first you’d have to identify which of their funding dollars came from federal taxpayers, which you’ve steadfastly refused to do.
All of it for evolutionism “research”.
>>Joe the Denier says, “So who exactly is the “charlatan” here?”
You.
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>>Joe the Denier says, “The Big Lie here is that Kalamata alone knows the true meaning of the Word of God.”
Are you denying that Satan, the Father of Lies, doesn’t teach men to doubt the Word of God? It sounds like that is what you are saying.
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>>Joe the Denier says, “As for our ancestors, the Bible teaches we were made from mud! Sounds amazingly like abiogenesis to me.”
>>Genesis 2:7 “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
Stop with the craziness, Alinsky Joe. The Bible verse you quoted teaches us that the Lord God (not “Charlie-Chance”) intelligently-designed man from the dust of the ground, and then breathed the breath of life into him:
I don’t see anything in the bible, or in observational science, that points to man evolving from an ape, or a frog. The only place you will find common descent is in diagrams mined from the imaginations of evolutionism cultists.
Mr. Kalamata