Trump Wants More Asylums — and Some Psychiatrists Agree (from last year)

NY Times ^ | March 5 2018 | By Benedict Carey

[rintintin]

In the wake of the horrific school shootings in Parkland, Fla., President Trump has called repeatedly for building or reopening mental institutions.

Strangely, perhaps, he has echoed an argument made by some experts who study the mental health care system.

It’s not that they believe that having more institutions would somehow prevent spree killings, as Mr. Trump apparently does. The majority of these murderers appear to be angry, antisocial individuals — with access to guns — whom the mental health system probably could not have spotted in advance.

The proposal to bring back asylums — in a modern, transparent form — is very much alive for other reasons among some policy experts, psychiatrists and bioethicists.

[stanne]

The guy was insane. That’s all. Whether Soto’s hires him or whether he was a toga. Whatever. He was nuts.

[LibertyWoman]

Thank Geraldo Rivera for his contribution in getting asylums shut down. He found the worse of the worst when he was just a new pup reporter and produced a report condemning ALL institutions using those few instances to black list all.

[bk1000]

Definitely whack jobs out there that need to be put away. Problem is previously it got to the point you could have a family member put away if they inconvenienced you. Well, close to that, anyway.

[HighSierra5]

Your gonna have to build a lot of asylums if Trump is reelected.

[Getready]

Well..duh. The end of the hippies dreams. Anything goes is gone. Turns out to be dangerous to general society.

[Rockingham]

The public mental health system in the US is inadequately funded and suffers from being dominated by Leftists and their idiotic ideas. Humane asylums would quarrantine some of the worst cases and anchor a spectrum of care that should reach many antisocial violent types with easily accessible community counseling.

[Irish Eyes]

Thank Geraldo Rivera for his contribution in getting asylums shut down. He found the worse of the worst when he was just a new pup reporter and produced a report condemning ALL institutions using those few instances to black list all.

I remember that and the pictures he repeated .

[Ronniesque]

Yet the liberals I encounter always blame Ronald Reagan for this.

[BlackAdderess]

This is a good idea. Bear in mind that no matter what you do, someone is going to feel their freedoms have been trampled on. If you lock up dangerously insane people someone will be mad that their freedom is being curtailed. If you dont lock up dangerously insane people their victims will be angry that they were victimized by a person who cannot be legally held responsible for their actions.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***President Trump has called repeatedly for building or reopening mental institutions. ***

They were closed in the 1970s, after the movies TITICUT FOLLIES and ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST were released.

The public swallowed the ACLU bait, hook, line and sinker that those poor inmates would do well in the outside world by taking their meds. They also did away with Vagrancy laws.

The libraries and formerly free museums were then overrun with the bums.

[Publius]

I saw Frederick Wiseman’s “Titttcutt Follies” on PBS some years ago. It’s still a very disturbing documentary.

[HighSierra5]

I know. I get the same old line from the libs that I know. Yet they controlled Congress for awhile and had a commie President plus they run Mexifornia. That’s always my retort and I get the stupid look. They are so predictable.

[Getready]

Here in stupidfornia...they wouldnt allow patients who were capable to do some kinds of work around the place cuz it violated labor laws and pay would be below minimum wage.
So instead of work therapy and spending money....all the patients would sit around smoking and watching tv. Thsy thought the first generation antipsychotics would allow patients to integrate into society. The administrators had no clue...they just wanted the unfortunate. patients out of their hair. They now have slightly better drugs but patients dont take them as necessary. Total mess. Now patients are free to prey on others and themselves and die in the streets. But they have freedom.Blame the ACLU.

[lightman]

Also need to bring back EST.

It works.

Big Pharma won’t be happy.

[mass55th]

Governor Mario Cuomo was the one who closed NY State's Psychiatric Hospitals, and a crapload of the residents eventually ended up in the prison system. When I started working as a C.O. in NY State's prison system in 1980, we had to give out psychotropic drugs to a large number of inmates on a daily basis. The Union finally complained that we weren't medical staff, and shouldn't be dispensing drugs of any kind, and it was stopped. When I retired in 2003 from the facility where I had spent most of my career, they were renovating a building to house just the mentally ill convicts. So many inmates had been prescribed drugs at the facility, that when they called the med run each night, the walkways from one side of the prison that brought you to the medical/hospital building, were loaded with convicts. It looked like a stampede.

Andrew Cuomo continued the practice and closed even more hospitals, throwing all of those people into the street.

From 1892, the criminally insane had been held at Mattewan, and Dannemora...many beyond their actual release dates. In the 60's, several court decisions ended that practice, as the court stated, that it was illegal to keep the criminally insane locked up past their release time, because "it wasn't a crime to be insane."

For a while now, Andrew Cuomo has started keeping mentally ill and sex offender inmates past their release dates, starting the cycle all over again. I just found a NY Post article from January of this year that states that those NY prison inmates that have been kept incarcerated beyond their release dates, have filed a class-action lawsuit against NY State. Deja vu all over again.

All I know is that I got out at the right time, and pity the poor slobs who have to do the job these days.

[familyop]

Send all of the druggies to booby hatches. Get them locked up before they go ape.

[FreedomPoster]

Bfl

[thoughtomator]

> whom the mental health system probably could not have spotted in advance

Big Lie alert.

The mental health system had pretty much every one of these guys in their clutches long before they went postal.

[ronnie raygun]

Geraldo was instrumental, the neglect comes from democratically controlled states and cities where this neglect was rampant. The rats jumped in labeled all psych centers bad convinced us all that these mentally ill can be treated at outpatient clinics and the mentally ill wander amongst us.