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Granted the five idiots being discussed deserve to be executed.

But as a general rule I cannot support a death penalty in America at this point in time; too many ways it resembles giving the Ronnie Earles, Janet Renos, Scott Harshbargers, Martha Coakleys, and Mike Nifongs of the world a license to kill people.

In theory at least I've got nothing against hanging somebody like Manson, Dennis Rader, Paul Bernardo, John Mohammed...

Here's the problem: I'd want several changes to the system before I could feel good about capital punishment anymore.

1. Guilt should be beyond any doubt whatsoever; the usual criteria of guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt" doesn't cut it for hanging somebody.

2. The person in question must represent a continuing threat to society should he ever escape or otherwise get loose. The "bird man" of Alcatraz would not qualify, John Mohammed clearly would.

3. I'd want all career/money incentives for convicting people of crimes gone which would mean scrapping the present "adversarial" system of justice in favor of something like the French "inquisitorial" system in which the common objective of all parties involved was a determination of facts.

4. I'd want there to be no societal benefit to keeping the person alive. Cases in which this criteria would prevent hanging somebody would include "Son of Sam" who we probably should want to study more than hang, or Timothy McVeigh who clearly knew more than the public ever was allowed to hear.

Given all of that I could feel very good about hanging Charles Manson, John Muhammed, or Paul Bernardo, but that's about what it would take.

In fact in a totally rational world the job of District Attorney as it is known in America would not exist. NOBODY should ever have any sort of a career or money incentive for sending people to prison, much less for executing people. The job of District Attorney in America seems to involve almost limitless power and very little resembling accountability and granted there is no shortage of good people who hold the job, the combination has to attract the wrong kinds of people as well.

They expected DNA testing to eliminate the prime suspect in felony cases in something like one or two percent of cases and many people were in states of shock when that number came back more like 33 or 35%. That translates into some fabulous number of people sitting around in prisons for stuff they don't know anything at all about since the prime suspect in a felony case usually goes to prison. Moreover, in a state like Texas which executes a hundred people a year or thereabouts, that has to translate into innocent people being executed here and there.

But the kicker is the adversarial system of justice. THAT we'd need to get rid of, with or without any consideration of death penalties. The price we're paying for it is too high.

20 posted on 07/25/2019 9:23:03 AM PDT by ganeemead
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To: ganeemead

Recently there was an illegal alien that raped an old woman.

He was put in jail for the crime.

Then shortly after that, he was released.

(I’m sure because of the lefts liberal “sanctuary” policIES.)

He then found the woman and raped her again.

He should have been executed after the first time.


28 posted on 07/25/2019 10:05:56 AM PDT by Syncro (Facts is Facts)
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To: ganeemead

I’m not entirely supportive of the death penalty either, but not for any reasons you’ve cited.

It’s a crap shoot, a dice roll.
Unless EVERY 1st degree murderer KNOWS he’ll get death, it’s no deterrent.
Four killers hack up old ladies.
One gets gets death, while another gets 25 max, another gets life with, another without, parole?
How’s that fair?

Also, why shouldnt premeditated attempted murder get death?
Just because the victim didn’t cooperate & die, but was only maimed for life?
Google Charles Rauthenberg.


36 posted on 07/25/2019 11:00:39 AM PDT by mumblypeg
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