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Trump’s ‘Accidental’ Win on the Citizenship Question
American Thinker.com ^ | July 20, 2019 | Jon N, Hall

Posted on 07/20/2019 9:01:15 AM PDT by Kaslin

Whether by accident or by design, President Trump has alighted upon the exact right solution for ascertaining the truest enumeration of American citizens. Not only that, but his workaround solution should have been done regardless of the recent opinion by the Supreme Court. That is, even if the Court had found that the administration could include the citizenship question in the census, Trump should still have directed his agencies, especially the Social Security Administration, to have their computer programmers write simple little programs to count up the people on their databases by citizen and all other categories.

Americans who care about citizenship or just the corruption of our data should rejoice over Pres. Trump’s announcement on July 11. And here’s what’s nifty about the president’s directive -- we don’t need to wait for 2020 to get a much better idea of how many citizens are in the country, we should be able to get that data very soon. One datum I’m anxious to learn is the number of U.S. citizens still residing in California, the state with the largest number of illegal aliens.

Americans are a highly mobile lot, and for quite some time now they’ve been fleeing California and New York for other states because of high taxes, cost of living, and undesirableness. Wouldn’t it be a kicker if Trump’s computer reports showed that those states are overrepresented in Congress? But here’s the real question for America: Should we be counting noncitizens to determine the number of congressional districts in the states? This citizen thinks not.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: census; trumpcensus
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1 posted on 07/20/2019 9:01:15 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

If you wrote all individual names, with the street address...then you’d write the code to compare with social security info, and have a US citizen list, and all ‘others’. Course, in this effort, you might find 100,000 individuals that come up twice and that will invite some kind of investigation over non-citizens using aliases or dual SSN info. If you ask me, because of this discrepancy, you’d be adding six to twelve months onto the Census, before you could stamp the info somewhat valid.


2 posted on 07/20/2019 9:07:55 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Kaslin

Whatever happens in the courts, President Trump keeps the issue front and center for the 2020 election, and it’s a political winner for him and us.


3 posted on 07/20/2019 9:08:09 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: Kaslin

Wouldn’t the citizenship question be answered by all men registering on their eighteen birthday for Selective Service? That would take care of about half the population. Or is that still done?


4 posted on 07/20/2019 9:11:22 AM PDT by hoosiermama (When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.DJT)
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To: Kaslin

Trump needs to increase immigration enforcement during the census and just prior to the election.


5 posted on 07/20/2019 9:12:35 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: hoosiermama

I’ve heard that a big number of males are neglecting to register for Selective Service nowadays. That requirement is simply off their radar. And there are never any legal penalties assigned to those who fail to register.


6 posted on 07/20/2019 9:13:12 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: hoosiermama

yes - it’s still done. HS counselors remind juniors/seniors of their duty - boys only still, I think.


7 posted on 07/20/2019 9:13:59 AM PDT by RebelTXRose (Our Lady of Fatima, Pray for us! PRAY THE ROSARY!)
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To: pepsionice

There are many interesting database queries that should be run on an ongoing basis that would yield very interesting information about many different kinds of fraud. All of which should be investigated and prosecuted. Staff to do this would be easily funded through the reduction in fraud. Any real business would be doing this and would be money way ahead for doing so.


8 posted on 07/20/2019 9:15:17 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: hoosiermama
Wouldn’t the citizenship question be answered by all men registering on their eighteen birthday for Selective Service?

Non-citizen permanent residents are also required to register for Selective Service.

9 posted on 07/20/2019 9:16:09 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Dilbert San Diego
And there are never any legal penalties assigned to those who fail to register.

Actually, there are some soft penalties. I knew a fellow who was in Europe during the years he was supposed to register. Failed when he turned 25, and couldn't get government student loans. Stuff like that.
10 posted on 07/20/2019 9:21:06 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("...a choice between Woke-fevered Democrats and Koch-funded Republicans is insufficient."-Mark Steyn)
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To: Kaslin

Knowing the actual numbers of illegal immigrants in the country would certainly have a shock value and would give President Trump more political ammunition to toughen the laws assuming he wins a second term and takes back the House. The real challenge is to get states like California to enforce voter id laws and block the ballot harvesting scam that is illegal in almost every other state.


11 posted on 07/20/2019 9:21:26 AM PDT by Dave Wright
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To: Kaslin

We know they are over represented in Congress, cause they over represent themselves in every fashion imaginable, and then some.


12 posted on 07/20/2019 9:23:20 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t know about NY, but California has been bleeding/losing legal citizens for 3-5 years.

Anyone/families making less than 125K per year can’t afford to live or move here.

If it wasn’t for illegals flooding in, California would have lost some congressits due to people leaving here.


13 posted on 07/20/2019 9:23:33 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( America - A country so great that even her haters will not leave it!)
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To: Moonman62

It’s like President Trump said...even when he didn’t make the promise...he is keeping it!

Loved when he said that.


14 posted on 07/20/2019 9:28:22 AM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: Kaslin

Will they act on the data? Already IRS does not turn over names , work addresses of illegals falsely using SSN, will this change. ICE could just start rounding them up. And by the way, any families deported yet? I think not since no screaming or sob stories in the media. Another failed action, talk only.


15 posted on 07/20/2019 9:32:38 AM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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To: pepsionice
I posted something similar to what the author has written.

The Government can use all its data to give a reasonable estimate of citizens in a geographic area. It may fluctuate somewhat, but I will call it Static X. California will be determined to have a population of Static X, but here is where the fight is all about. Because California also has a population of Non Citizens, which is not static. I call that Y (Upward/Increasing).

The Government can determine that California has X amount of citizens, therefore is should have X amount of representation.

California will be forced to argue that it has X amount of citizens, but it also has Y, and it is therefore entitled to a greater amount of political representation.

If ultimately, the courts agree with California then the result will be that Sanctuary States will get a stranglehold on political power because they will always be able to use the number of X, plus an ever upward/increasing number of Y. And in my humble opinion, that is despicable.

16 posted on 07/20/2019 9:42:56 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Kaslin

“Americans are a highly mobile lot, and for quite some time now they’ve been fleeing California and New York for other states because of high taxes, cost of living, and undesirableness. Wouldn’t it be a kicker if Trump’s computer reports showed that those states are overrepresented in Congress? But here’s the real question for America: Should we be counting noncitizens to determine the number of congressional districts in the states? This citizen thinks not.”

In Los Angeles County alone, I have seen projections that if Congressional Districts were actually apportioned solely on citizens counted in the Census, that that county would loose as many as SIX CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS, ( and if we were really lucky, one of them that would go away would be Adam Schiff’s)!


17 posted on 07/20/2019 9:43:44 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Drew68

But isn’t the question “are you a citizen?” Asked?


18 posted on 07/20/2019 9:43:48 AM PDT by hoosiermama (When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.DJT)
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To: Kaslin

But will the data that Trump gathers be used to determine congressional representation? I don’t think so, so it’s rather useless.


19 posted on 07/20/2019 9:49:43 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: Grampa Dave

“California has been bleeding/losing legal citizens for 3-5 years.”

It’s been closer to 10 years.
Frequent road trips on 1-10
between Houston and Ft. Stockton,
I witnessed many a U-Haul with
California plates headed east.


20 posted on 07/20/2019 9:55:59 AM PDT by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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