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To: OIFVeteran

Tell the ignorant Founding Fathers who clearly distinguish between THREE types of citizens: native born (what we call a citizen), naturalized (foreign born but legally made a citizen) and Natural Born.

Just because the Constitution is ignored doesn’t mean it doesn’t say what it says.

With Obama people got concerned about where he was born, not to whom. I know his mother was somewhat of a nut-job but who in their right mind would go to Kenya to have a child?

Obama was ineligible, Harris is ineligible, Cruz is ineligible, Jindahl is ineligible, Congress can’t make any of them eligible. McCain’s case was meaningless but he was born to citizen parents out of the country in service to the nation which would not preclude him.


105 posted on 07/13/2019 1:16:02 PM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: arrogantsob

I refer you to Clay Blair’s excellent study of the Korean War, “The Forgotten War”, page 146. I quote LTC Mike Michaelis, who had just been given command of the US Army’s 27th Wolfhound Regiment, and was ordered to immediately deploy from Japan to Korea in July of 1950. “We’d just had our first child-a daughter. The only thing I had time to do was rush to the American Consulate with my wife and get our daughter certified so that SHE WOULDN’T BE A JAPANESE CITIZEN. I put twenty-five dollars, a razor, and tooth brush in my pocket and took off.” His daughter was born in the US Army hospital on Honshu.

Japan had regained it’s sovereignty at that time, and it’s citizenship laws were in effect. Japanese citizenship law held that ANYONE born on Japanese soil was a Japanese citizen. However, the US and Japan had concluded Status of Forces Agreements concerning the children born to US military personnel on Japanese soil. US military bases were LEASED from the Japanese government to the US for use as bases. They were still considered to be Japanese soil. If they were US soil, then the child of a pregnant Japanese worker delivering on a US base would be a 14th amendment citizen, just as if she had delivered in the US Embassy, which is US soil. With the SOFA agreement in place at that time, the Japanese citizenship of their daughter was waived, and the child would be exclusively a US citizen, (not natural born, but by US immigration and naturalization statutes extant at the time,(in the manner of Ted Cruz)

Both Michaelis AND his wife were natural born US citizens, serving their country overseas. Despite this, the location of their daughter’s birth makes her not even a 14th amendment citizen, but a statute citizen via the existing US Immigration and Naturalization laws.

I don’t like this reality, I don’t think that it is fair, but I did not write Article II. Children born overseas to parents serving overseas are NOT NBC’s. John McCain was a STATUTE CITIZEN, not a 14thh amendment one by virtue of the extant Immigration and Naturalization Act. (as was Ted Cruz)

But if people are willing to overlook the constitutional intent (not me) and make this ONE unprinciplled exception for sentimental reasons, then OK. Please stop ignoring all of the other anomalies.


123 posted on 07/13/2019 2:15:03 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: arrogantsob

Well I guess my high school government teacher(and book) in the 80s, and my college government professor (and book) in the 90s were already in on the scam. Because I clearly remembering being taught that there were two types of citizens, natural born and naturalized. I remember this because in high school I was both surprised by this and thought it was dumb.

Since this issue of citizen versus NBC is so important can you tell me where on a birth certificate this difference is marked? I mean it’s very easy to determine a naturalized citizen because of their naturalization papers. So I would imagine we would mark this distinction between citizen and natural born citizen on birth certificates.


140 posted on 07/13/2019 4:20:47 PM PDT by OIFVeteran
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