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To: JonPreston; Liz

yeah, celebrity...

Check this out:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1148303671857491968.html - epstein

from link:

So, apologies in advance, but I want to do a quick little THREAD to explain my theory of what the Epstein story really is. I promise this isn’t some crazy Pizzagate conspiracy about space lizards, just a neat little explanation that IMO perfectly fits the known facts (0/13):

(1/13) Let’s take as our starting points two givens.
(A.) You are a committed, unrepentant pedophile
(B.) Because of your old job in private banking, you are very connected to lots of very, very wealthy people

We’ll also assume a goal:

(Z.) You want to become very rich
(2/13) The obvious route is, well, obvious: you could just be a pimp, offering underage prostitute services to very rich people. This has two problems: you’re very disposable (see: DC madam), and it’s also not super lucrative. You can’t charge millions of dollars up front.

(3/13) The second level though follows instantly: You don’t need to charge up front, just get them to have underage sex, and then blackmail them afterwards for hush money. Better ROI, but you’re still a liability, and producing and receiving big bribe money raises big questions.

(4/13) So, what to do? Well, the second idea has some merits. First, you need to recruit people in. Have lots of massive parties at your spacious home (check), invite top academics, artists, politicians to encourage people to come (check), and supply lots of young women (check)

(5/13) You don’t even have to do anything, and most people invited might even be totally unaware of the real purpose of the parties! But, sooner or later, some billionaire will get handsy, she’ll escort him to a room with a hidden camera, things happen. Morning after, you strike.

(6/13) You inform him she was really 15, but you offer him a nice, neat way to buy your silence: a large allocation to your hedge fund, which charges 2/20 (check). To ensure nobody else asks questions, you also take the extraordinary step of demanding power of attorney (check)

(7/13) The fund is offshore in a tax haven (check) and nobody will see the client list (check). Of course, you don’t really know anything about investing, instead making up some nonsense about currency trading (check), and nobody on Wall Street has ever traded with you (check)

(8/13) The fund itself doesn’t need investment personnel (check), only some back office people to process the wires (check). You don’t want to money from non-pedophiles, or they’ll notice you’ve just put it in a S&P 500 fund, so you reject all incoming inquiries (check)

(9/13) A $20 million wire from Billionaire X to you with no obvious reason will raise many questions, and the IRS will certainly want to know what you did to warrant it. A $5 million quarterly fee for managing $1 billion in assets? Nobody bats an eye.

(10/13) Because of this structure, you’re extraordinarily secretive about client lists (check) because they aren’t clients, they’re pedophiles paying you bribes, and they also are very secretive, which is why no letters or return streams ever leak (check)

(11/13) Occasionally you may also try this trick on other people: important political figures, mayors, prosecutors, etc. They don’t invest in the fund, but it’s nice to have them in your pocket. Others (academics, artists, etc.) can just be bought with money as a PR smokescreen.

(12/13) And, of course, the scam can be kept going as long as people are willing to pay, which is forever. If you’re ever caught, just lean on some of your other friends in government to lean on the prosecutor to get you a sweetheart deal. There’s almost zero risk.

(13/13) And the last piece of the puzzle is the evidence. You’d want it somewhere remote, but accessible: a place the US can’t touch but you have an excuse to visit all the time to update. Remember that offshore fund?

I bet there’s a *very* interesting safe deposit box there.


http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/hedge-funders-have-some-thoughts-on-what-epstein-was-doing.html

The fact that Epstein’s fund is offshore in a tax haven — it is based in the U.S. Virgin Islands — and has a secret client list both add credence to the blackmail theory.


21 posted on 07/13/2019 7:33:47 AM PDT by GOPJ (MSNBC Bimbos & Pretentious men: EVERY CHILD RAPIST on Epstein's plane was a powerful democrat...)
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To: GOPJ

The problem with blackmailing rich and powerful people is that it only takes one to have you killed.


27 posted on 07/13/2019 7:44:37 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: GOPJ

EXTREMELY plausible theory you have, there.

I’d say there’s one more angle:

He could do allll that, but also keep his spy bosses apprised.

These victims are people who could move money around, open accounts, vouch for shadowy, much-traveling operatives.

He could do everything you said, with the motives you postulated: And at the end of it all there would be this yuge, ready-made, turn-key infrastructure for an ambitious country periodically needing to do amazing things quickly and quietly.

I’d say it started out for personal gain and then the resulting infrastructure at the end of it all was sometimes farmed out for big-time spy ops.


29 posted on 07/13/2019 7:45:12 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: GOPJ
Just read your list which by sheer coincidence, I suggested to friends last night. May I offer a few tweaks. U.S. Virgin Islands is not a tax haven, but BVI next door is. Part of his deal with clients must involve an agreement that the amount of paperwork is nil.

With income of likely 8 figures, he must have filed tax returns. Few folks in that category of income avoid IRS audits...many have them annually. If the prosecutor in the SDNY is serious, all filings would be on his or her desk by now.

40 posted on 07/13/2019 8:19:02 AM PDT by masadaman
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To: GOPJ
The fact that Epstein’s fund is offshore in a tax haven — it is based in the U.S. Virgin Islands — and has a secret client list both add credence to the blackmail theory.

Yes.

Basing his Sex Blackmail Operation in the USVI meannt, on average, a 90% reduction in corporate taxes and almost no personal income taxes. The requirements are modest; you have to make 10 local hires and you have to invest at least $100k in "local infrastructure".

His only unshakable rule for his local hires was, "I want to NEVER see you".

So all the local staff would scurry away any time he or his showed up.

41 posted on 07/13/2019 8:21:35 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: GOPJ

Add this to your conjectures. Who was the president during most of this crap? Who was president when the plea deal was arranged? Why is the Brown SHirt Media carelessly slinging accusations in every direction but THIS ONE?


43 posted on 07/13/2019 8:23:08 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.ANYTHING)
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To: GOPJ
(6/13) You inform him she was really 15, but you offer him a nice, neat way to buy your silence: a large allocation to your hedge fund, which charges 2/20 (check). To ensure nobody else asks questions, you also take the extraordinary step of demanding power of attorney (check)

Yup, that's critical. There's incredible, unrealized synergy between wealth management and blackmail.

Epstein hit on the way to circumvent the specific way that former high-shool coach, later GOP congressman Denny Hastert got busted:

He was repeatedly taking out large sums of money for no discernible reason. The authorities were baffled and suspicious:

Rep. Denny Hastert was being *blackmailed* by an extremeley pissed-off, now more grown-up and clearer-thinking man who'd been one of the high-school wrestlers that Hastert had molested .

Epstein's clients DID NOT HAVE to make inexplicable payments to him, the way that Hastert did:

Epstein appeared to be WORKING for them, and in many cases it was probably actually true.

50 posted on 07/13/2019 8:33:21 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: GOPJ

Flaws in your theory:

Billionaires or pols or celebs aren’t going to outwardly pay. Too suspicious. They have a lot to lose.

There is no way Epstein actually legally EARNED.

So probably this whole thing started when he went to work for Wexner.

His billionaire benefactor also liked diddling kids, and this was their entire raison d’etre. So they hooked up the whole system, setting Ep up as the billionaire fund manager, with the homes and planes. They were approached by or offered The Oligarchy (could be Americans involved, could be Russians, but I know I’ve read somewhere there was Saudi connection so that is what I am going with) for very high-priced evidence... which was their job to collect.

The genius of it was that this cocky “really really wealthy guy” was literally doing teen girls in front of them, at these amazing hidden places (on the plane! On his own island!). How safe is that? The host is literally having sex with them in the open, the mansion is filled with hot young teens, every body’s doing it, clearly it’s safe to let your famous hair down here.

And all the hard evidence is still out there.... when he blew up his island twice in January, it might “seem” like the evidence is gone, but it might be in a Saudi royal vault, in Switzerland, in Moscow...

WHOEVER TOOK PART can’t ever relax again... EVEN IF EPSTEIN COMMITS SUICIDE WITH HIS EXERCISE BANDS. :)


58 posted on 07/13/2019 8:53:14 AM PDT by Yaelle
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