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1 posted on 06/29/2019 6:36:31 AM PDT by Kaslin
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In Phillips’ situation at Masterpiece Cakeshop, his closely held belief was that it is wrong to use his artistic talents to promote gay marriage. In Cracker Barrel’s case, the closely held belief is that it is wrong (not to mention bad for business) to knowingly provide space and service to hateful people who advocate for others’ death.

The difference being that sexual orientation is protected by state anti-discrimination laws and hateful people are not.

2 posted on 06/29/2019 6:47:16 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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Living in a free society, with the freedom to pursue happiness, means we have a right to discriminate. Most will not, but others should be free to do so.


4 posted on 06/29/2019 6:48:58 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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I’ll take all this seriously when they start fining m*slims for refusing to bake cakes for gays and for refusing service to people with dogs.

Until the favoritism and a$$ kissing of m*slims stops, it’s all bull$hit.


5 posted on 06/29/2019 6:49:41 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: Kaslin

Logic? We don’t need no stinking logic.


6 posted on 06/29/2019 6:57:01 AM PDT by suthener
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Bump


7 posted on 06/29/2019 7:18:34 AM PDT by foreverfree
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It's apples and oranges. . .it's not the same. The issue is can a person (Phillips) be FORCED into a contract (to bake a cake) that violates his conscience. Change it to a Jewish baker being forced to bake a cake decorated with Nazi symbols. Or a African-American baker being force to bake a cake that exalts the Klan. Phillips is not refusing service to customers because of who they are or what they believe. . .anyone can enter his bakery and purchase any item for sale. He is refusing to be forced into a contract to produce a product that violates his moral conscience.

Cracker Barrel, on the other hand, is refusing service because of someone's beliefs. This is clearly wrong but it also demonstrates how easily confused the issue can be.

9 posted on 06/29/2019 7:23:59 AM PDT by McBuff (To be, rather than to seem)
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The guy has said all along he would sell a cake to any one he just won't advance their ideology!!
14 posted on 06/29/2019 7:57:42 AM PDT by ontap
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Who wants to eat at Cracker Barrel?


15 posted on 06/29/2019 8:12:06 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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Jack Phillips *is* his business while Cracker Barrel is a publicly-held company. I’m sure Cracker Barrel has a policy where they have the right to refuse service to anyone whose dress or behavior is incompatible with the company’s need for cleanliness and order.

Cracker Barrel could deny Mr. Fritts the use of their property for their group events the same way Phillips could deny gays from staging a wedding in his bakery. But they can’t deny *individuals* who come solely to eat access to his restaurant if they are not trying to draw attention to themselves. Likewise, gays are welcome to buy cakes from Mr. Phillips. They just can’t force him to put objectionable messages on the cake.


16 posted on 06/29/2019 9:20:36 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Trump is Making the Media Grate Again)
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Imagine NAMBLA holding a Fundraiser at Chuckie Cheese.


24 posted on 06/29/2019 11:04:34 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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If the baker merely sold ingredients, to be used as the customer saw fit, then the comparison would be valid. That is not the case.

Cracker Barrel is not being forced to endorse the customer’s personal beliefs by selling; the baker is. The First Amendment Rights of the proprietor of Masterpiece Cakeshop are being violated; the Cracker Barrel proprietor’s are not.

Masterpiece Cakeshop is not an “open platform” as Twitter and Facebook are legally obliged to be (but are not punished for not being); the bakery is a “publisher” that does not want to publish certain messages. Cracker Barrel is more like a non-publishing open platform.


28 posted on 06/29/2019 2:31:43 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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The legal concept of protected class should be abolished...


40 posted on 06/29/2019 4:50:14 PM PDT by northislander
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To: Kaslin; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
If Jack Phillips is in the wrong for refusing to serve certain customers because doing would violate his beliefs, then Cracker Barrel is in the wrong for doing the same thing.

The problem is that when a Christian denies a special service for an express purpose of celebrating a homosexual event - even though he or she provides the same customer with the same off-the-shelf items anyone can buy - then such is charged with sexual discrimination, even though the reason for the denial is due to what the customer intends to use it for.

However, when a business denies a religious customer any service based upon something that person believes (not is actions), then the right of a businesses to choose whom it will serve may be upheld.

The latter is akin to a "no blacks served here," but the former is not, but is at least akin to patriot refusing to sell a flag to someone who has expressed his intent to dishonor/defile or burn it. Or a Uber driver refusing to drive a women to an abortion clinic after she makes it clear her intent to get an abortion. And even that of a Muslim denying a special work for the celebration of the rebirth of the modern state of Israel, although not denying any product available to all. And which, to be consistent, I think the Muslim should be able to do, if the service is a special one, and knowingly for the express purpose of something he can show his faith finds morally objectionable, and which is not for a amoral service one actually needs, like medical care.

The high court ducked providing a direct answer on whether businesses can legally opt out of providing a product/service when doing so would represent an affront to their beliefs.

Indeed, and if there was ever a case yet that would vindicate an owner denying custom service based upon the expressed intention for it, then this certainly was it.

For Masterpiece Cakeshop offered the 2 sodomites any off-the-shelf items available for sale, but refused to enter into a contract to create a special work (a wedding cake, which usually must be contracted for far in advance, and as very high cost) which was for the express purpose of celebrating a (out-of-state) "wedding" that was/is not only contrary to the law of God, but was also against the highest law of the state at that time (the CO constitution did not recognize any homosexual marriage).

SCOTUS should have not only ruled that CO the Colorado Civil Rights Commission discriminated antagonism against Phillip's Christian faith.but that regardless, Phillip's had a right to refuse to be complicit in the celebration of an event that was contrary to the law of His God, as well as his state.

53 posted on 06/29/2019 7:24:07 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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