Posted on 06/26/2019 3:11:29 PM PDT by tcrlaf
BREAKING @Vimeo has REMOVED Project Veritas saying: "You cannot upload videos that are hateful, defamatory, or discriminatory."
Perhaps we embarrassed @Google but NOTHING we said was hateful, defamatory, or discriminatory. They're trying to erase us from the internet.
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An interesting fact that has zero bearing on the applicability of Section 230.
OK, good luck with that.
Why are you so afraid of making tech giants obey the rules?
When I clicked on the link you posted the first thing that played was an ad.
Why are you so afraid of making tech giants obey the rules?
I'm not. If they're violating the rules they should be sued.
I'm just against having the federal government confiscate the investor's property.
Again, why are you so afraid of making big tech follow the rules?
Section 230 prevents them from being liable. You can sue but it won't work.
I'm just against having the federal government confiscate the investor's property.
Did the government confiscate Ma Bell? Nope. This isn't about confiscation. This is about clarifying that big tech is breaking the rules and Congress making those rules clearer and enforcable. Fines should be in order.
Did you even watch Project Veritas' video? Big Tech sneers about being asked for documents and they refuse to comply. Apparently they believe they are above law and governing rules.
But they have other criteria besides political views that are spelled out in their terms of service and which they use to justify removing content.
You've just admitted that discriminating based on ideology is fine - Jim does it.
So your argument is reduced to saying YouTube isn't up front about it.
Would it satisfy you if they added "unacceptable political views" to their TOS?
Again, if it's OK for FR it's OK for everyone (legally speaking).
Again, I'm fine with this.
If they're shown in court to be violating the law they should be held accountable.
Essentially, yes.
They granted AT&T monopoly rights and in exchange regulated every aspect of their business, including how much they could charge and who they had to serve.
When the government claims those powers over your business what do you have left?
Jim and Free Republic have never claimed to be a neutral carrier as big tech does. FR is a discussion forum for Consevative views. FR has never claimed neutrality nor claimed to be a carrier/platform or public utility. You are mixing apples and oranges.
And you insist on ignoring previous information, like the RULES listed in Section 230.
You sound like a Progressive intent on controlling information..
Again, if it's OK for FR it's OK for everyone (legally speaking).
No. It isn't. Big Tech claims to be a neutral platform like AT&T and they are acting as publishers.
You are frantic to allow them to break the rules and control information flow. Who are you rooting for? Bernie or Fauxcahontas? Or do you own stock in Big Tech?
We are done.
Your posts say otherwise.
If they're shown in court to be violating the law they should be held accountable.
Section 230 protects them from lawsuits. Just ask Prager. Congress needs to step up and step in.
Have a great day.
“Sorry, we couldn’t find that page”
Clearly, you believe the situation is such that the news and information people get from what appear to be neutral sources is being secretly manipulated to affect the perception of the people looking for information, has impacted the political system such that it won't work fine.
Let's examine your thesis line by line:
the news and information people get from what appear to be neutral sources
Stop. Few people buy that the news is neutral. Parenthetically, the people more inclined to BELIEVE the press are college graduates. Thus it isn't the "ignorants" being swayed by the media (though I've met plenty of dim graduates).
is being secretly manipulated
Stop. It's not a secret. Most people are aware of the manipulation.
to affect the perception of the people looking for information
Stop. We agree on that point.
has impacted the political system such that it won't work fine.
Stop. You didn't define "work fine" but I gather that you mean "people may vote in a way they wouldn't otherwise."
Now, that is a debatable point...some men, you can't reach. Hardcore liberals are stuck in their dogma that the state is better than the individual, regardless of the evidence. Liberty-loving Deplorables have facts and reason on their side. But at the margin, is it possible that people might have, for example, voted for Hillary because of biased and manipulated news?
For the sake of argument I'll grant you this point. But isn't it true that the risk of biased and manipulated "news and facts" has ALWAYS existed? Indeed, Jefferson himself wrote:
"From forty years' experience of the wretched guess-work of the newspapers of what is not done in open daylight, and of their falsehood even as to that, I rarely think them worth reading, and almost never worth notice." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1816. ME 14:430
"Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day." --Thomas Jefferson to John Norvell, 1807. ME 11:224
"As for what is not true, you will always find abundance in the newspapers." --Thomas Jefferson to Barnabas Bidwell, 1806. ME 11:118
"Advertisements... contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper." --Thomas Jefferson to Nathaniel Macon, 1819. ME 15:179
Indeed, propaganda is as old as the written record. The Bible is full of bad men spreading lies begetting death and mayhem.
When it gets down to brass tacks, what's left of the argument isn't a fear Big Tech (though I agree there's is a lot of bad and evil manipulation going on there). It is a fear of the individual. It is a fear of freedom. It is a fear that Americans can't sort out all this deceit and manipulation from Big Tech (with government license) by themselves, because Big Tech and Leviathan are smarter and deeper than Americans. This renders the individual impotent when it comes to make an informed political decision. The only way out is government intervention.
That sure sounds like a liberal to me.
Read a little more about what Google has been up to for some time.
Are you really OK with a search engine that generates results intended to create a point of view?
But while I didn't know about Jigsaw, I stand with most Americans in my knowledge that Google can't be trusted. I'm aware. Indeed, as I showed, so are most Americans. In fact this NBC news story (not exactly an innocent bystander in all this) suggests Google helped reinforce racism. The information that search engines aren't reliable is out there.
Yes, the fundamental control of the flow of information can lead to tyranny. But how is that possible when most of the potential consumers of that information know it's fake? Furthermore, how is tyranny possible when most of the citizens not only know the searches are biased and content faked, but that they know where to go to get unbiased and unfaked content? In addition, how can tyranny be on the move when a phrase like #FakeNews is not only uttered by the Head of the Executive Branch, but is part of the lexicon of citizens old and young? Finally, how is tyranny possible when a good chunk of that informed public holds ordnance that dwarfs the military of other nations?
CAN things get worse? Of course. WILL they get worse absent government intervention? Maybe...but the probability approaches 100% if we ask the government to intervene. Thank you FRiend, but I'll place my trust in the informed citizenry like the Founders did, and not be a liberal and run to the government out of a Fear of the Dark.
Thank you for a civilized discussion.
I somehow knew exactly what audio that would be before I clicked on it.
Some day I’ll put together a Strat copy of the one Dave used on the No Prayer and that tour.
They’re violating Section 230. Their reckoning will come, if our government bothers to get up off its arse about it.
Exactly if we don’t start matching fire with fire with the hard left we will lose. Its hardball from now on or socialism will get bigger than it is and before you know it we will be cuba.
I’m surprised that there are posters who can’t see where this is headed. Propaganda works because the narrative is controlled by one view. We already have a press that are masters at lying. Throw in big tech and we lose.
That’s all true.Without Donald Trump right now we would be screwed big time.
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