The Myth and the Fraud That There Ever Was an Arab Country or People Called ‘Palestine’

There was at one time, a region called Palestine. Roman emperor Hadrian renamed what was then Judea to Syria Palaestina because of his hatred of the Jews and his desire to eliminate them. He did not always despise the Jews, but came to detest them due to their constant state of conflict against Roman rule.

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

—Joseph Goebbels

More recently, the Brits called it Palestine when they had the mandate.

Trans Jordanian Palestine. Now known as Jordan, where the majority of “Palestinians” come from. And most of whom were exiled in the early 70’s for trying to overthrow Jordans Hashemite Royal family. Nobody wants the so called palestinians because they are a bunch of troublemakers.

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A lot of venting but no solution.

I have an atlas from the 40s or 50s that shows Palestine on the mid east map...it’s all very confusing

The problem is not what happened in centuries past but what happened in the last century as Muslims were displaced, fled, or emigrated due to the establishment of Israel. Facts on the ground matter. The mass settlement in Gaza and on the west bank of Muslim refugees led to a common identity as "Palestinians." Granted, there was no Palestinian people until then, but there surely seems to be one now.

Moreover, the de facto recognition of a Palestinian people may be necessary in order to fashion any kind of enduring peace. Plausibly, Israel and her Arab neighbors may reach a peace deal without the Palestinians and then present them with the promise of massive cash for development if they will reach a permanent peace deal with Israel.

Call me cynical, but I think that over time the Palestinian leadership will find it hard to resist the potential graft available from billions of dollars in development cash paid out over several decades. If a favorable deal can be arrived at, its legitimacy will depend on making it morally and legally binding on not just the Palestinian leadership but also on the residents of the Palestinian territories. To do so will require more or less officially recognizing them as a people.

I posted this several days ago:

There was an Israeli state in the land of Israel 2000 years before the evil prophet of Islam allegedly flying on a "magical horse" from Mecca to Jerusalem.

* There was an Israeli nation in the land of Israel.
* There was an Israeli kingdom in the land of Israel.
* There were Israeli kings in the Israeli kingdom of Israel.
* There was an Israeli capital in the kingdom of Israel.
* There was and there is an Israeli essence.
* There was and there is an Israeli heritage.
* There was and there is an Israeli culture.
The “Palestinians” are Arabs who were brought to the region by the Ottoman empire as part of the Muslim occupation in the region. They are definitely not the tribes from Crete who settled down in the 5 cities of Gaza strip after the Exodus of Israel from Egypt. These tribes were called Philistines and they weren’t Arabs at all and today’s “Palestinians” are definitely not their descendants. The Philistines don’t exist as a nation.
Israel isn't just a name of a state. It's first and for all a name of a nation (Am Yisrael). Israel is the name of the father of the nation (Jacob) and Israelis are his descendants. The real meaning of the word 'Israeli' is someone who belongs to the nation of Israel and not only "a citizen of a state called Israel".
Gentiles invented the word ‘Jews’. When the Persians, the Greeks and the Romans occupied the land of Israel they called all the Israelis in the name 'Jews' because at those days the tribe of Judah was the biggest and the dominant tribe which survived the exile of Assyria in which 10 tribes of Israel were exiled. The tribe of Judah lived in the Judean desert thus the gentiles who occupied the land of Israel called the members of this tribe (and also the ones of Benjamin and Levi who joined it) in the name 'Jews'.
When Israelis (Jews) who live abroad go to synagogue they don't read about Jews in the prayer books nor in the Torah but about 'The Nation of Israel', 'The Children of Israel', 'The House of Israel’,'Shema Yisrael' etc. They are Israelis because they belong to the nation of Israel even if they aren't citizens of a state called Israel. Both the words 'Jews' and 'Israelis' refer to nationality, to ethnic identity and not to religion. Jews are members of the tribe of Judah and not "people who believe in Judaism". And the nation isn't called Judah but Israel, and so does the land and in the future the 10 tribes will return to this nation.
That's why Arab citizens of Israel don't define themselves as Israelis but as Arab/"Palestinian" citizens of a state CALLED Israel. They aren't members of the Israeli nation but of the Ishmaelite nation. Ishmael used to shoot arrows at Isaac (father of Israel) while saying: "I'm only playing..." That's why there's no "Israeli-Palestinian conflict" but a WAR that the Ishmaelite/Arabs opened on the Israelis. Also Muhammad murdered Israelis in Saudi Arabia who refused to accept his murderous pagan dream.
Couple of facts about Israel that the haters of Israel don't like:
1. Israel became a state in 1312 B.C., two millennia before Islam.
2.Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves "Palestinians"in1967, two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948.
3.After conquering the land in 1272 B.C., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300years.
4.The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 BC lasted just 22 years.
5.For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule,(East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it.
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur'an.
7. King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it.
8.Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem.
9.In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier.
10. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.
11. Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries.
12.In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group to have never integrated with their co-religionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel ,a country no larger than New Jersey, USA.
13. There are 22 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state.
14. Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel.
Israel ceded most of the west bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms.
15.During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths.
16. Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions,429 were against Israel.
17. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall.
18. Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.
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I have an atlas from the 40s or 50s that shows Palestine on the mid east map...it’s all very confusing

After WWII the region was allocated to Britain and was called "British Palestine".

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There is no such thing as a palistinian, they were, and are nothing more than a bunch of nomadic arab raiders, slave traders, and thieves.
Nothing more than a subset of the Berber and Taureg tribes that have been raiding and killing for profit for thousands of years.

The same could be argued as to whether there is and can ever be an American people since none existed in antiquity except for the aboriginals whom European settlers brushed aside as they filled the continent. Yet as a matter of established fact, there is surely an American people now, and a Palestinian people can also be said to exist or be in formation now by reason of the common experience of those designated and maintained as refugees and their descendants in Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, and Lebanon.

As I suggested, accepting the existence of a Palestinian people in some form is likely to be essential to any sort of workable peace treaty. Even if split into separate, self-governing cantons based on current land habitation, a collective identity is a practical necessity. Negotiating and maintaining a peace treaty will be hard enough without having to do it with each canton, one by one.

Indeed, for the sake of peace, the abundant destructive energies of the Palestinians will need an outlet other than Israel. Clawing at each other for fame and control of the international money spigot designated for Palestinians seems a useful objective for those energies.

As that comment suggests, my sympathies are entirely with Israel and the Jews. The Muslims hate them for many reasons, mostly though for showing through a successful modern nation just how backward and stupid Islam is.

The Hashemite family is from Arabia. They were the losers when the Brits installed the Saud clan. Hashemites were offered the area now called ‘Jordan’ as a way to placate them.

Almost all ‘peoples’ known now acquired their territory by conquest or unification after wars.

It is radical Arabs (and most of the UN) and not the State of Israel who won’t accept two states in western ‘Palestine’.

A key point of Trump's plan is apparently for the major Sunni Arab powers to drop their support for the Palestinian cause and the demand for a unitary state with Israel that they hope to dominate through terror and demography. In effect, the Palestinians will be told by their Arab brothers to take the peace proposal on the table or go it alone.

As for peoples acquiring territory by conquest, isn't that how the Arabs view modern Israel's formation, as a taking of Arab land by Jews and Europeans?

There’s a cadre on FR that won’t concede that Israel haters regard Tel Aviv as occupied Arab territory as much as they regard Hebron and the Old City of Jerusalem as occupied Arab territory.

“Palestinians” ?
WRONG !
They are "Syrians" ... because that's where they were kick out of.
But Syria couldn't put up with them.
So Syria kicked them out.
Israel had them rounded up in Lebanon and put them on a ship.
But no Arab country would take them.

Remember this ?PALESTINIAN PEOPLE DO NOT EXIST Published: 07/11/2002 " ... So, despite the fact that conventional wisdom has now proclaimed that there is such a thing as the Palestinian people, I’m going to raise those uncomfortable quotations made by Arafat and his henchmen when their public-relations guard was down. Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here’s what he said: The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan. That’s pretty clear, isn’t it ? It’s even more specific than Golda Meir’s statement. It reaffirms what I have written on this subject. And it is hardly the only such statement of its kind. Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993. It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel. In fact, on the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. Here’s what he said: “Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.” ... " And don't forget this article which also documents Zahir Muhsein's statement :ORIGINS OF THE PALESTINIAN NARRATIVE Posted by Timothy Benton, Feb 14, 2019 " ... What is found in the files are four main points: The PLO and the Palestinian Narrative was dreamt up by the KGB, which had a penchant for ‘liberation’ organizations.” — Ion Mihai Pacepa, former chief of the Foreign Intelligence Service of Romania. “First, the KGB destroyed the official records of Arafat’s birth in Cairo, and replaced them with fictitious documents saying that he had been born in Jerusalem and was, therefore, a Palestinian by birth.” — Ion Mihai Pacepa. “[T]he Islamic world was a waiting petri dish in which we could nurture a virulent strain of America-hatred, grown from the bacterium of Marxist-Leninist thought. Islamic anti-Semitism ran deep… We had only to keep repeating our themes — that the United States and Israel were ‘fascist, imperial-Zionist countries’ bankrolled by rich Jews.” — Yuri Andropov, former KGB chairman. As early as 1965, the USSR had formally proposed in the UN a resolution that would condemn Zionism as colonialism and racism. Although the Soviets did not succeed in their first attempt, the UN turned out to be an overwhelmingly grateful recipient of Soviet bigotry and propaganda; in November 1975, Resolution 3379 condemning Zionism as “a form of racism and racial discrimination” was finally passed. ... "

The Arab mentality is prone to extravagant claims and fantasies and the Palestinians indulge it to the fullest. Yet it cannot be denied that for centuries, there were Muslim Arabs living in Jerusalem and its environs. Notably, Zionist Jewish settlers were long seen as beneficial because they paid well to buy land and hired Muslims as laborers paid in cash.

There is no such thing as a palistinian, they were, and are nothing more than a bunch of nomadic arab raiders, slave traders, and thieves.

That's clearly not true. The were not nomads and had orange, lemon and olive groves, as well as vineyards and grain fields. The nomadic Bedouin of the Negev, by contrast, have had much less conflict with Israel because they were nomadic and no one wanted anything they had.