PACIFIC SEA LEVELS RISING VERY SLOWLY AND NOT ACCELERATING

QUAESTIONES GEOGRAPHICAE 38(1) • 2019 ^ | Revised version: February 7, 2019 | Albert Parker 1, Clifford Ollier 2

[ProtectOurFreedom]

Wow...

Data reveal that no atoll lost land area, 88.6% of islands were either stable or increased in area, and only 11.4% of islands contracted.

[palmer]

The complexities are cooked into the alarmist stew. Especially the complexities of the land ice where Greenland lost no ice (net) in 2016-17 and 2017-18 http://sciencenordic.com/how-greenland-ice-sheet-fared-2017 Change 17 to 18 in the URL to see 2018. There's no plausibility to the Greenland melt acceleration scenario that the alarmists peddle.

But as the paper points out, only the ground truth matters. What is happening on the islands. No net loss of land. In many cases the opposite.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

It took 100,000 years to freeze all that water into glaciers; then the warming that started 20,000 years ago melted all that ice in 12,000 years. Just look at the western Missoula Floods and the Bonneville Flood caused by breaking ice dams for evidence 14,000 years ago.

[TigersEye]

I agree with what you’re saying on its face but if you’re inferring that Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner is an “alarmist” and that what he wrote supports the “alarmists” then you’re way off base. I just can’t tell by the way you stated it.

[Dogbert41]

How do they get it to stand still long enough to measure???

[palmer]

I wasn't referring to him or anyone in particular. Rather the idea that Greenland melt is accelerating like this pathetic piece: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/6/1934 The authors insist the model is correct and the lack of actual melt in any one year (or the past two years) can be ignored. In actual fact, Greenland's loss is linear, about 0.01% per year.

[cookcounty]

Inconvenient Question for a Global Warming Expert, not including Bill Nye:

Last year I was in Glacier National Park, and saw the Salamander Glacier and Grinnell Glacier were indeed somewhat less extensive than when I saw them as a young man in the 1960’s. I was told by an “Earth Science” guy summering as a NPS Ranger that the Many Glacier Valley was once filled with ice to a depth of 1,000+ feet.

Later, it occurred to me that the melting of ice is largely a function of the relationship between glacial surface area and volume, that is, the greater the surface area relative to volume, the faster ice will melt. So, even if temps were constant, wouldn’t glaciers melt at an accelerated rate as they became thinner and thinner relative to their expanse?

I can’t find this subject addressed anywhere on the net.

[cookcounty]

Finland is growing by 2.7 sq miles/year.

Ice-age rebound the stated cause, which is a reminder that the the surface of the earth is not static and unchanging, but constantly flexing, if slowly. There is no “normal.”

[justa-hairyape]

Parts of the original Jamestown Fort have been submerged due to that rise. Now maybe the original Jamestown Fort will be complete soon. But just not in our lifetimes. Lol.

[editor-surveyor]

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This is bunk!

The pacific has not risen since 1932.

It has continuously fallen since 1934.

You can verify this through the USC&GS benchmark data. (the benches appear to be rising when the ocean falls)

[editor-surveyor]

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Thyere has only been one “ice age,” (at the end of the flood, 4500 years ago +/-) and the ice is clearly returning rapidly now.

Warm seas cause ingratiation.

[justa-hairyape]

The glaciers could have been mostly built up in a short period. Once you get glaciated, the oceans are cooled and evaporation is much less. You can get copious amounts of rain, while entering the glacial, because the oceans have a higher base temperature. And that can support massive El Nino’s. But once cooled, glaciated world, ocean temps are so low that El Ninos may not be warm enough to produce significant evaporation.

Still have no clue what ends the glacial.

[hinckley buzzard]

California coast is subject to mild uplift. The relative sea level change for the west coast is negative.

[grobdriver]

Thank you.
Bookmark for reference.

[xzins]

What is bunk?

[Grimmy]

If the Pacific is showing no rise, if the islands are stable, then why all this alarm?

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This is a nonsense metric! Everyone knows islands float! No matter how much the ocean has risen, the islands will still float on it.

And if islands don’t float, then why did Congress have to worry so much about Guam flipping over? Huh?

[editor-surveyor]

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Sea levels rising is bunk.

They switched from earth based hard measurement to manipulable sat data that can be twisted easily in the mid ‘80s to combat the falling seas.

[editor-surveyor]

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And the Earth is a rug suspended from elephants’ trunks...
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[TigersEye]

OK, I get you now. Totally agree!

Models are meaningless without a long track record of accuracy coinciding with reality. So far I don’t think the warmists have created a single model with a single year of accurate prediction.

[Grimmy]

Really?

Wow.

Ok. I get it. Now things make so much more sense.

Thanks.