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‘Most of Government Is Unconstitutional’
New York Times ^ | June 21, 2019 | Nicholas Bagley

Posted on 06/21/2019 1:50:41 PM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: Regulator
Marbury v. Madison is okay,. It's the misinterpretation of the case that is ludicrous.

In Marbury, SCOTUS faced a question of its own jurisdiction. There wwere two authorities jocking for superiority on that question. One authority was the constitution, which did not confer jurisdiction to SCOTUS for this case, the other was a statute that could be read to give jurisdiction. SCOTUS decided the constitution was superior to the stature, and found that it lacked jurisdiction to decide the case.

41 posted on 06/21/2019 3:01:25 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: cpdiii
"The sainted Judge Thomas . . ."

Justice Thomas is good for a lot of constitutional law, but can be way out of bounds on other things. I despise the opinion he authored in Alice Corp. Pty. Ltd. v. CLS Bank, Int'l, 573 U.S. 208 (2014). Despite the Supreme Court's lack of authority to create new law out of whole cloth, he tortured logic in order to justify decades of judge-made law, law which Congress had previously overturned as inappropriate. That case near singlehandedly broke the U.S. Patent system, and has been the bane of my professional existence for 5 years.
42 posted on 06/21/2019 3:31:21 PM PDT by Jagermonster ("God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him." 1 John 4:16, NKJV.)
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To: veracious

“DC has become the land of non-law.”

Yep, all too many of our lawyers and judges are glorified outlaws.


43 posted on 06/21/2019 3:39:04 PM PDT by RipSawyer (I need some green first and then we'll talk a new deal!)
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To: thesharkboy

Delegation of the writing of law is a big problem


44 posted on 06/21/2019 3:43:55 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: ConservativeMind

Are you sure we’re not cousins? We think a lot alike.


45 posted on 06/21/2019 3:48:32 PM PDT by RipSawyer (I need some green first and then we'll talk a new deal!)
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To: Alberta's Child

You’re not saying that the standards we have now are good are you?


46 posted on 06/21/2019 3:51:09 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: momincombatboots
Term limits on every public office. Hey.. a girl can dream, right?
While you’re at it, a minimum age of 40 for every elected office. On principle, no one should enter politics as a profession. Only enter politics as public service, after you have created a life for yourself.

47 posted on 06/21/2019 3:56:56 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: thesharkboy; Alberta's Child

I will make the argument

What is to stop a Committee from setting up a group of experts to come up with the standards, the committee voting the standards out of committee and submitting for a floor vote like the do so many other things?

The reason they don’t is because the do not want todo the work nor take the responsibility.


48 posted on 06/21/2019 3:58:28 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: reaganaut1

Rules for changing a limited republican government into an unlimited hereditary one.

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6. But the grand nostrum will be a public debt,...

https://www.usdebtclock.org

“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”- Declaration


49 posted on 06/21/2019 4:05:46 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: reaganaut1

Unelected bureaucrats writing law is one the primary traits of a dictatorship. The first step free men must make is not recognizing that unlawful authority. You can read all about it in our Declaration of Independence.

Once the fat cows and sows in the bureaucracy realize that citizens no longer recognize them and their illegal activities, they’ll jump into their rabbit holes and disappear.


50 posted on 06/21/2019 4:06:10 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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To: Cboldt
Marbury v. Madison is okay,. It's the misinterpretation of the case that is ludicrous.

I think you are correct.

51 posted on 06/21/2019 4:09:34 PM PDT by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be destroyed.)
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To: reaganaut1

Yes: Most of the bureaucracies violate States’ Rights.

There should never have been a Federal police farce (sic), the Federal Investigation Bureau [FIB].


52 posted on 06/21/2019 4:13:57 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: reaganaut1

The New Deal and the Great Society are unconstitutional.


53 posted on 06/21/2019 4:34:47 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also. Wall)
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To: reaganaut1

“Most of the government is unconstitutional” has been around as an argument for decades. It also goes nowhere, because it never goes deeper. So here is how to do so.

1) First chart those parts of government that are clearly “originalist” constitutional.

2) Then chart those parts of government that are clearly unconstitutional contrivances.

3) Even by the time of the US Civil War, it was recognized that the constitution was full of bad concepts that needed reform. So when the Confederate States of America wrote their own constitution, they included a bunch of these reforms, many of which had nothing to do with slavery.

4) Just because much of the government is unconstitutional does not mean that it is not important, popular or justifiable. So the most important of these should be included in a “constitutional amendment omnibus” that would make those listed constitutional.


54 posted on 06/21/2019 5:39:00 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("I'm mad, y'all" -- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez)
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To: djf

Could you provide a link for us non legal eagle types? Thanks


55 posted on 06/21/2019 6:11:29 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: reaganaut1
A few of my favorite quotes may be applicable:

"I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground: That 'all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people.' To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition."

Thomas Jefferson, 1791

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"...[W]hether the phrases in question be construed to authorize every measure relating to the common defence and general welfare, as contended by some; or every measure only in which there might be an application of money, as suggested by the caution of others; the effect must substantially be the same, in destroying the import and force of the particular enumeration of powers which follow these general phrases in the Constitution. For it is evident that there is not a single power whatever, which may not have some reference to the common defence, or the general welfare; nor a power of any magnitude, which, in its exercise, does not involve or admit an application of money."

James Madison, 1799

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"That man must be a deplorable idiot who does not see that there is no earthly difference between an unlimited grant of power, and a grant limited in its [ends], but accompanied with unlimited means of carrying it into execution."

Spencer Roane, 1819

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"As ends may be made to beget means, so means may be made to beget ends, until the cohabitation shall rear a progeny of unconstitutional bastards, which were not begotten by the people..."

John Taylor, 1820

56 posted on 06/21/2019 6:25:44 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("He therefore who may resist, must be allowed to strike.")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“And for good reason. To run a functional, modern government, Congress has no choice but to delegate authority and discretion to federal agencies.”

This is crux if it. So wrong. States were supposed to do it, and they could do it a lot better than federal bureaucrats and the federal police state thugs.

Police power is shared between states and the federal government. But States are much in a much better to police citizens. That’s because we can vote for AGs, DAs, sheriffs, and judges at the local, circuit and state level. No popular control exists at the federal level so we end up with a federal police and judicial dictatorship.

There is no real political solution to the problem of the police state and federal judicial dictatorship. The executive can’t really do anything. As JFK said to paraphrase, when peaceful political change is impossible, violent political change is inevitable.


57 posted on 06/21/2019 8:39:46 PM PDT by grumpygresh
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To: reaganaut1

Yes - but the NYTs is upset that SCOTUS might stop the real unconstitutional takeover by the practices of the Congress by not allowing agencies the power to determine things that aren’t spelled out in the way they run - or don’t run - roughshod over the People...


58 posted on 06/22/2019 3:37:16 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: Pontiac

Can you name one that is not?


59 posted on 06/22/2019 4:25:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: Pontiac; Lurker

That’s a good point, Pontiac. I have suggested an idea in the past that is similar to yours and would meet constitutional scrutiny: Congress can defer to experts in executive branch agencies in specialized matters, but ultimately Congress must pass the applicable expert recommendations into law themselves.


60 posted on 06/22/2019 4:28:59 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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