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Kremlin Says D-Day Wasn't Decisive in Ending World War II
Moscow Times ^ | June 5 2019 | Reuters

Posted on 06/05/2019 6:24:22 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I will say, there is one thing they do in Russia today that is really cool.

The Immortal Regiment March, held every Victory Day, where the relatives of those who fought in WWII march holding the pictures of their relatives.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/05/09/russias-immortal-regiment-marches-on-victory-day-a65537

Be nice if we could do more things like that here.


181 posted on 06/06/2019 11:53:08 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: jmacusa

The local drink in Normandy is “Calvados” — a sort of apple brandy. It was big during WW1, and particularly during WW2 with the troops operating in that region. Every farmhouse cellar was loaded with the stuff from the locally grown apples.

In France the champagne grape crop failed a couple of consecutive years and Calvados was a sort of substitute for the Grape. It’s also the semi-official drink of the French Foreign Legion. Great to cook with.


182 posted on 06/06/2019 11:53:17 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: jmacusa

” No one anticipated the hedgerow country.”

Funny thing about overlooked intel. Dig down far enough and you’ll find a major or LCol who was jumping up & down to be heard — and nobody would listen. I’m confident that somebody knew. There’s always a soldier or officer who traveled a particular area before the war.

This is one of the areas in which the Brits excel. All that colonial fighting in the far reaches of the world? They’re always on the lookout for unconventional people in their ranks who “have been there”. TE Lawrence just to name 1.

Closest thing the US had were the old China hands from the State Department, missionaries, Marines and Regular Army who served from Shanghai to Chungking. That’s how you get guys like Claire Chennault & Vinegar Joe Stillwell. 2 guys who probably wouldn’t have survived if it hadn’t been for their specific connections to that part of the world.


183 posted on 06/06/2019 12:00:32 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: dfwgator

I know.

They went through He!! only to be terrorized by their own leader, who was Satan personified.

Makes me sad to think of it. “It’s not the people, it’s the Leaders.”


184 posted on 06/06/2019 12:01:33 PM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The Germans committed 146 divisions, over 3.5 million soldiers, to their Eastern Front when they turned on the USSR in September 1941. These were some of their best troops. Their Eastern Front troop strength grew as high as 191 divisions by 1943

In June 1944 they still had 150 divisions on the east. By contrast there were 66 divisions on the western front at the time of the Normandy invasion.


185 posted on 06/06/2019 12:06:06 PM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The Russian Spokesmodel isn’t wrong here, but she isn’t completely correct either.

Patton’s save at Bastogne won the European war. Had he not pulled the 3rd Army, pivoted, and attacked to relieve the 101st, the war would have gone on a whole lot longer to be sure.

The Russians did get hammered in WWII, and it did make the invasion feasible. That is all true.


186 posted on 06/06/2019 12:14:46 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Kremlin Says D-Day Wasn’t Decisive in Ending World War II.

The kremlin is full of shit.


187 posted on 06/06/2019 12:41:24 PM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: jmacusa

The worst was in The Hürtgen forest. 5 months in the worst terrain, with the worst weather, and the worst casualties. I was there a few years ago, I wouldn’t want to fight there. It just so happen it was raining and damp when I walked around the area so I can imagine what the guys had to go through on both sides. We visited a medical bunker that had a home built over it. We were also in Malmedy, the lot where I guys were gunned down has a memorial there. There was also a KIA? dealer across the street from it and a Honda? dealer behind it. Facing the street there was a burger place. Hurtgen Forest was all grown back, probably looking as it did before the first bombs and shells fell.


188 posted on 06/06/2019 4:50:05 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Ban Draoi Marbh Draoi
And how many of that 25,000,000 were killed by their own people?

Very few. There were only a few collaborators, mostly in the Ukraine. If you are thinking of the Holodomor or the Gulag, those deaths were on top of these. Not good times to live in the USSR.

189 posted on 06/06/2019 8:03:55 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Tallguy

Allied aerial reconnaissance showed what appeared to be some kind of hedges bordering fields. Neither the British or the Americans paid any attention to it. They were looking for German armor and gun positions. When the troops got into the hedgerows they were up against a kind of warfare they were unprepared for. Bradley turned to the USSAF and the RAF to try and blast their way through out of it.


190 posted on 06/06/2019 10:52:56 PM PDT by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?''.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
The Hurtgen was indeed a horrible place. I knew a man who served in the 28th. Inf. Div. in that battle. he said it was terrible. Damp, cold, rainy and fog. A German general remarked that the Allies had chosen to attack in a place where “It isn't light until 7 in the morning and it's dark at 3 in the afternoon’’. What an idiotic decision to put troops into such a place. Most days it was cloudy or it was raining. Couldn't really use armor or air power or artillery. The Germans had a lot of their bunkers just above ground level so a machine gun could fire. The poor GI’s would hit trip mines, the Germans would open up on them and rain down artillery bursts in the tree tops. The Americans went into the place in mid October ‘44 and called action off on Dec.,14, 1944. Two days later the Germans come barreling through the Ardennes.
191 posted on 06/06/2019 11:02:19 PM PDT by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?''.)
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To: Tallguy

Yes I know about ‘’Calvados’’. From what I understand it’s a kind of heavy drink with a good kick.


192 posted on 06/06/2019 11:12:30 PM PDT by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?''.)
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To: John Semmens

Ping in case you’d also like to join this discussion :)


193 posted on 06/07/2019 11:12:57 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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