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737: The Crash in Colorado Springs
The Seattle Times ^ | 10/28/1996 | Seattle Times

Posted on 06/03/2019 10:03:03 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina

A debate over safety has embroiled Boeing's 737. Today, a look at questions about its rudder that grew out of a 1991 disaster, and at the role Boeing takes in investigations.

(Excerpt) Read more at old.seattletimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: 737; boeing
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I know there are Freepers who have experience in the aviation industry and who will understand the technical aspects of this article. It would be great to hear from them.

For my part, it is alarming to see that Boeing appears to have a habit of dissembling when it is involved in safety investigations.

1 posted on 06/03/2019 10:03:03 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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To: TexasKamaAina
There used to be a saying— “if it ain’t Boeing, I ain’t going.” Now I’d probably say “if it’s a Boeing I ain’t going.”
2 posted on 06/03/2019 10:07:45 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I thought it was also pound to fit, paint to match.


3 posted on 06/03/2019 10:18:07 PM PDT by Mark17 (With Jesus, there is more wealth in my soul, than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Coincidentally, my son, up until recently was flying CJRs for a regional carrie. Today he started training with a new carrier to fly the 737 (not the Max).


4 posted on 06/03/2019 10:25:49 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (Liberalism is a cancer on our nation.)
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This didn’t age well

Boeing CEO says he would put his family in a 737 Max “without any hesitation”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3753110/posts


5 posted on 06/03/2019 10:26:06 PM PDT by proust (Justice delayed is injustice.)
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To: Mark17

Design to suit, cut to fit, paint to match.


6 posted on 06/03/2019 10:32:03 PM PDT by citizen (Women are from Venus and Men are from Mars. All the other genders you make up are from Uranus.)
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To: TexasKamaAina

People need to understand that Boeing is publicly traded.

Safety is important to them as poor safety can destroy the company. They have a financial interest in good safety.

However, the yin/yang is that some safety decisions conflict with financial decisions. Money is not limitless...even when gov’t runs things.

99%+ of all Boeing/Airbus decisions result in good safety and financial benefits.

But sometimes, those decisions are the wrong ones.

Human beings make mistakes. People die as a result. This cannot be changed by increasing gov’t or putting gov’t totally in charge because gov’t has no interest in financial prosperity nor in safeguarding lives. Gov’t only looks out for itself.

Aviation safety is incredibly good today. Free markets have ensured that.


7 posted on 06/03/2019 10:33:34 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is now a hate-mob)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I heard a report today that Boeing admitted they had faulty parts.


8 posted on 06/03/2019 10:42:03 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: TexasKamaAina
There seems to be no mention of the crash outside of Pittsburgh, and as I recall the same problem was identified in the tail of that 737. The flight maneuver was the same, straight into the ground during approach.
9 posted on 06/03/2019 11:08:25 PM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is applied Marxism!)
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To: Herakles

Pittsburgh was USAir 427. I was flying from the Midwest to Connecticut that day and arrived in my hotel room where I saw the news.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAir_Flight_427

I have never forgotten the flight number on that one.

This I didn’t remember but she went down Hopewell Township, Beaver County, Pennsylvania (Wiki).

Faulty hydraulic component - caused hard over on the rudder and she basically spiraled into the ground. No way the crew could have known what was wrong or recovered.


10 posted on 06/03/2019 11:12:58 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Was McDonnell Douglas bugless?


11 posted on 06/03/2019 11:15:13 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: SaveFerris

They claim the crew could have recovered but would have had to do so within 10 seconds (unrecoverable after that).

The ailerons can counteract a hard-over rudder. Didn’t know that.


12 posted on 06/03/2019 11:28:15 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: TexasKamaAina

My concern isn’t Boeing, but how easily Conservatives are fooled by the news media.


13 posted on 06/04/2019 12:21:37 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Facts are racist.)
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To: Flaming Conservative

That is common. Metallurgy on the slats was out of spending cs, so they could be prone to cracking. This was for 737NG, not the 737Max.

It only made news due to the 737Max grounding, otherwise you never would have heard about it.


14 posted on 06/04/2019 12:28:38 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is now a hate-mob)
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To: SaveFerris

I would think asymmetrical power might also help but if you are close to the ground you might not have time to apply ailerons and asymmetrical power sufficient to overcome the initial hard over rudder which could have the nose headed for the ground within seconds, and you need power to bring the nose up.

The time it took to get this down on paper is time you don’t have when on final approach.


15 posted on 06/04/2019 12:29:48 AM PDT by wita (Always and forever, under oath in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.)
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To: Mark17
"I thought it was also pound to fit, paint to match."

If it don't fit, don't force it - get a bigger hammer.

16 posted on 06/04/2019 3:47:18 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("I will now proceed to entangle the entire area".)
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To: citizen

“Design to suit, cut to fit, paint to match.”
Touch up and Plunge too Depth.


17 posted on 06/04/2019 4:49:13 AM PDT by carmen2017
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To: proust

‘Boeing CEO says he would put his family in a 737 Max “without any hesitation”’

Did he say anything about letting it leave the ground?


18 posted on 06/04/2019 5:10:56 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
It is rather hard to have faith in a company who's name sounds like a part falling off a plane.

BOINGGGGG!!

19 posted on 06/04/2019 5:13:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz (We can be called a racist and we'll just smile. Because we don't care.)
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To: Psalm 73

Force it if it breaks it needed replaced anyway


20 posted on 06/04/2019 5:27:25 AM PDT by The FIGHTIN Illini (Wake up fellow Patriots before it's too late)
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