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Tiananmen 30 years on - China's great act of 'forgettance'
BBC News - China Blog ^ | 31 May 2019 | John Sudworth, BBC News, Beijing

Posted on 05/31/2019 6:40:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

There are no official acts of remembrance for the events of 1989 in Beijing. But that statement, although factually correct, is far too neutral.

In truth, what happened in Tiananmen Square is marked faithfully each year by a massive, national act of what might more properly be called "forgettance".

In the weeks leading up to 4 June, the world's biggest censorship machine goes into overdrive as a huge dragnet of automated algorithms and tens of thousands of human expurgators cleanse the internet of any reference, however oblique.

Those deemed to have been too provocative in their attempts to evade the controls can be jailed - with sentences of up to three and a half years recently handed down to a group of men who'd tried to commemorate the anniversary with a product label.

Merely reposting such images on Twitter - a banned platform not even accessible to most Chinese internet users - can get you detained.

A few months ago, I saw for myself the extraordinary lengths to which the authorities are prepared to go to ensure that Chinese citizens engage in absolutely no public discussion or visible acts of commemoration.

On China's national tomb-sweeping festival - a time when people visit the graves of their loved ones - the BBC had arranged to meet an elderly woman whose son was shot through the head on the North side of Tiananmen Square, shortly after the first troops fought their way into the city.

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1 posted on 05/31/2019 6:40:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I knew one of the Chinese doctors on duty the first night of shooting.

She said they were very unfamiliar with gunshot wounds —to say nothing of sooo many people with them— that initially some wounds were sealed up without first checking to confirm that bullets had been properly extracted.

She was a yuuuuge fan of Trump, and this was years before he gave any hint of his intention to run.

She must have had an orgasm when he was elected.


2 posted on 05/31/2019 6:57:31 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
A few years ago,while in Hong Kong,I decided to google "Tiananmen Square"...just out of curiosity.I was,at the start, struck by the fact that all I could get was "google.cn" (which is the suffix for China) despite having typed ".com"

That happened repeatedly...so I gave up and continued.

All you get on .cn are beautiful,peaceful photos featuring a smiling Mao looking down with benign revolutionary love.

There's not even a *hint* that anything happened in June 1989.

3 posted on 05/31/2019 7:11:07 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (A Joke: Comey,Brennan and Lynch walk into a Barr...)
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To: Gay State Conservative

How the Chinese deal with Social Justice Warriors.


4 posted on 05/31/2019 7:18:22 PM PDT by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“But he is certain that if the protesters’ demands had been listened to all those years ago, China’s future would not only have been a prosperous one, but a more balanced and equitable one too.
“I see a China without a Great Fire Wall, without a privileged class. Unfortunately with less billionaires but at least the poor migrant workers could live freely without being driven out of the big cities. And a China that does not need to steal foreign technology.””

Trade War!


5 posted on 05/31/2019 7:26:44 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sane goes for modern Russia and Stalin’s crimes.


6 posted on 05/31/2019 8:24:16 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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7 posted on 05/31/2019 8:28:13 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Capitalism produces EVERYTHING Socialists/Communists/Democratic-Socialists wish to "redistribute.")
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To: ifinnegan

I think we should make a 100 tall statue of the lady with the torch. Set it up in San Diego or Long Beach to greet ships from China. The torch of freedom can never be extinguished! The student made one in paper mache and talks pushed it down killing 3,000 students. Red China is evil.


8 posted on 05/31/2019 8:48:06 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound ovil.f the guns!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Got away with it.


9 posted on 05/31/2019 8:48:12 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; gaijin; Gay State Conservative; vannrox; ifinnegan; CondoleezzaProtege; ...
There were a few hundred to a few thousand people killed at Tiananmen Square. The Chinese government knows for sure, but nobody else does.

In our lifetimes, they have murdered tens of millions of their own people if not hundreds of millions.

Think about that.

People are wringing their hands about the "great act of forgettance" and associated surveillance and censorship that is the Chinese government acting as if a few hundred or even a few thousand were never murdered.

  1. Does anyone mourn the tens or hundreds of millions of people who were murdered by the Communist Chinese?

  2. Does anyone know even a fraction of their names?

  3. Have they ever been called to account for it?

  4. Have they ever had to face it?

  5. Have they ever had to make reforms to ensure it never happened again?

The answer to all of these is NO.

There are people in the world, people in THIS country, even people right here on Free Republic who think what happens in China is great...their trains are really cool and modern, they have nice roads and bridges, they are flush with money and using it to build big cities and a powerful military.

And there are people in the world, people in THIS country, even people right here on Free Republic who think we should run things just like they do, because hey, they are getting things done and we aren't. If we were more like them, everything would be less contentious, we would have great train systems and big new buildings too, and everything would be right as rain.

But whatever you do, don't bring up the tens or hundreds of millions of people, citizens of their own country, who were MURDERED because they were somehow in the way or holding back progress. And the Communist Chinese government will do it again in a heartbeat if it suits them.

I am astonished that so many people think the "New" Communist China is somehow fundamentally different than the "Old" Communist China. It seems that way because they are flush with money. But the an Iron Fist is still an Iron Fist even if you put a velvet glove over it.

10 posted on 05/31/2019 9:03:05 PM PDT by rlmorel (Trump to China: This Capitalist Will Not Sell You the Rope with Which You Will Hang Us.)
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Sorry. Didn’t mean to yell, didn’t realize the letters would come out that big. But yeah, I was yelling.


11 posted on 05/31/2019 9:06:00 PM PDT by rlmorel (Trump to China: This Capitalist Will Not Sell You the Rope with Which You Will Hang Us.)
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Not to mention having the highest abortion rate in the world and the inhumanity of one child policy. :(


12 posted on 05/31/2019 9:12:59 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I have nothing against individual Chinese, if I encounter them, I would treat them with the same consideration and respect as I would any other person I meet, and would continue to do so until they give me a reason not to.

But Communist China, as a government, is evil. Because Communism is evil.

People say “Oh, they are less Communist than they used to be...”

I say in response: “Being “less” Communist is like being “less” pregnant.”


13 posted on 05/31/2019 9:16:32 PM PDT by rlmorel (Trump to China: This Capitalist Will Not Sell You the Rope with Which You Will Hang Us.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
I think we should make a 100 tall statue of the lady with the torch. Set it up in San Diego or Long Beach to greet ships from China. The torch of freedom can never be extinguished! The student made one in paper mache and talks pushed it down killing 3,000 students. Red China is evil.


No one knows the total number of deaths for sure. I heard that it may have been 10,000.
14 posted on 05/31/2019 9:27:02 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie ("The media is the enemy of the American people." Democrat Pat Caddell)
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To: rlmorel

Yet Joe Biden thinks that they are OK.


15 posted on 05/31/2019 9:33:27 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And how did we show our national disgust at this atrocity? Not weeks later, George Bush and his fellow RINOs lavished “Most Favored Nation” trading status on these Communist butchers. It was an early indication, if nothing else was, that that RINO was no Reagan II.

Soon afterwards, I started seeing more and more “Made in China” stickers on products...


16 posted on 05/31/2019 9:44:05 PM PDT by Mr. Rabbit
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To: rlmorel

Agreed. And of course my aversion is to the communist system, not to the inherent nature of the people, or their rich and epic cultural heritage beyond communism.

Gong Li is one of my favorite actresses. And ‘Raise the Red Lantern’ and ‘To Live’ directed By Zhang Zhimou are some of my favorite cinematic experiences.

Not a fan of Chinese food though...if I visited I would have to be careful about MSG..which is in almost everything there apparently. I’m sure I’d find something to enjoy though.


17 posted on 05/31/2019 9:50:28 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: rlmorel

Oh yeah
You just disappear there
Gone !


18 posted on 05/31/2019 9:52:08 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: rlmorel; vannrox

“There are people in the world, people in THIS country, even people right here on Free Republic who think what happens in China is great”

Yeah. This vannrox guy here is a ChiCom propagandist.


19 posted on 05/31/2019 10:07:06 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege; rlmorel

China is a natural ally against Europe and Sharia.

The Communist Party rule messes up their country and what would be a great friendship.


20 posted on 05/31/2019 10:09:19 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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