Wow, theyre really trying, arent they.
1 posted on
05/30/2019 12:01:49 PM PDT by
Olog-hai
What about ballot harvesting?
To: Olog-hai
This is such a F’n lie. The question of citizenship has been on every long form census over the past 5 or more cycles with the exception of one, and that was during BHO’s admin.
3 posted on
05/30/2019 12:04:32 PM PDT by
rjsimmon
(The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
To: Olog-hai
“a citizenship question to the census would allow Republicans to draft even more extreme gerrymandered maps to stymie Democrats”
Yes, it would.
Because ILLEGALS would not be counted.
It ain’t nefarious.
It’s Good Governance.
4 posted on
05/30/2019 12:05:00 PM PDT by
Macoozie
(Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
To: Olog-hai
The article suggests the “gerrymandering” would occur by drawing state congressional maps based not on total population, but on the number of American citizens of voting age.
I don’t understand how that is considered gerrymandering, unless that word means something I didn’t think it meant.
6 posted on
05/30/2019 12:12:04 PM PDT by
jz638
To: Olog-hai
"But after he died last summer, his estranged daughter
discovered hard drives in her fathers home that revealed
something else: Mr. Hofeller had played a crucial role in the
Trump administrations decision to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census." Oh no! How terrible of him.
It must be the crime of the decade!!
Her father was concerned about the correct enumeration
of how many citizens the USA has.
And all of this is on his hard drives.
What a conspiracy!
7 posted on
05/30/2019 12:12:28 PM PDT by
StormEye
To: Olog-hai
Translation: Mr. Hofeller’s estranged daughter is a moonbat who gave her late father’s hard drives to the media in order to slam Republicans in general and President Trump in particular.
To: Olog-hai
have emerged only weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on the legality of the citizenship question
Where’s the illegality in asking if you’re a citizen?
10 posted on
05/30/2019 12:17:24 PM PDT by
qaz123
To: Olog-hai
Whoopti effin do...............
11 posted on
05/30/2019 12:19:29 PM PDT by
Red Badger
(We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
To: Olog-hai
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside...
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.
Amendment XIV changed the basis of apportionment, basing it on citizens instead of (free and 3/5ths of enslaved) residents.
The citizenship question is fundamental for the purpose of Congressional apportionment and must be asked and each answer must be verified as per Amendment VIII to ensure due process for American citizens.
The citizens of Alabama shouldnt be shortchanged a representative because illegals in California were mistakenly/improperly considered citizens.
Counting the whole number of persons in each State means each black US citizen shall be counted as one US citizen and not 3/5ths of one.
The Amendment probably also requires illegals to be counted too, but not for Congressional apportionment purposes. Therefore, the citizenship question is required by the Constitution.
The citizenship question is not a policy matter.
To: Olog-hai
Complete BS! The "Citizenship question" is needed to exclude illegal aliens from Congressional apportionment.
Right now there are over 20 Congressional districts that are apportioned because of illegal immigration. Since illegals aliens are included in the numbers provided by the Census Bureau to Congress for apportionment, they are used to determine how many Congressional seats a state receives. California alone received 5 seats because illegal aliens are included.
The state of Alabama has filed a lawsuit (
Alabama v US Dept of Commerce) to force the Census Bureau to exclude illegal aliens from the numbers provided to Congress for apportionment. Alabama is suing, and has standing, because it is projected to lose a Congressional seat after the 2020 Census because of illegal immigration.
The basis of the suit is that it goes against the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection clause. The reason for this is that in states with high numbers of illegal aliens voters have more voting power than states with fewer illegal immigrants.
If the 'citizenship question' is not on the census, then there is no way to determine how many illegal aliens should be excluded. The courts would drop the case as moot, because even if they found for the plaintiff there would not be a legal remedy for the courts to provide relief.
The citizenship question is one of the most important issues going on right now, and this lawsuit is IMHO the most important legal case going on right now.
14 posted on
05/30/2019 12:26:40 PM PDT by
MMaschin
(The difference between strategy and tactics!)
To: Olog-hai
... as though gerrymandering were a Republican only construct. Both parties do it, but Democrats have enacted some of the most insidious gerrymandered boundaries around the country, particularly in California in the 1980s.
16 posted on
05/30/2019 12:30:34 PM PDT by
ElkGroveDan
(My tagline is in the shop.)
To: Olog-hai
Since they’re not citizens, can they simply count them as 3/5 of a person, the way they used to count slaves.
17 posted on
05/30/2019 12:32:49 PM PDT by
BuffaloJack
(Chivalry is not dead. It is a warriors code and only practiced by warriors.)
To: Olog-hai
The disclosures represent the most explicit evidence to date that the Democrat Party wants to delete the question to the 2020 census to advance Democrat Party interests.
There, fixed it for them.
19 posted on
05/30/2019 12:36:43 PM PDT by
tet68
( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
To: Olog-hai
WOW, is right.
President Trump has got to be the MOST POWERFUL MIND IN THE WORLD.
New York Times...PFFFFT, SPIT.
To: Olog-hai
But after he died last summer, his estranged daughter discovered hard drives in her fathers home that revealed something else: Mr. Hofeller had played a crucial role in the Trump administrations decision to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census.They found their villain and now they're going to compose their narrative around him.
To: Olog-hai
Kennedy would have fallen for this crap. Beer Man will not.
To: Olog-hai
I've done a good deal of family history research in recent years...some of it done through census forms. The census returns I've seen all had a citizenship question.
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