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To: Swordmaker
Intel CDMA and LTE modem chips worked fine.

Nope. By your own admission Intel couldn't keep up with Qualcomm and therefore Intel was inferior. There are loads of links similar to the one below.

Apple confirmed limiting iPhone 7 Qualcomm modem to keep performance on par with Intel chip

There is a Standard Essential Patent set that must be used/ by every manufacturer of cellular device simply to even connect to the network.

Well then, I invite you to provide to me the specific numbers of these patents. If you mean there's a common communication protocol then that's true.

11 posted on 05/24/2019 6:04:03 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: Locomotive Breath
Nope. By your own admission Intel couldn't keep up with Qualcomm and therefore Intel was inferior. There are loads of links similar to the one below.

You really don’t know what you are talking about, do you? Qualcomm invented CDMA and holds the patents on it. Regardless of whether a chip is made by Intel or Qualcomm or Huawei, the chip maker MUST license the patent for CDMA from Qualcomm (except, of course for Qualcomm itself) because those patents are in the INTERNATIONAL STANDARD!

The Qualcomm modem was required to connect to the Verizon network but not necessary for any other network in the world. The only iPhones or iPads with the Qualcomm modem are those locked to Verizon originally (they will also work with every other network) or those sold unlocked. Even on Verizon, the higher speeds are not functions available to any make phones until quasi-5Ge was rolled out, so why worry about it. As I said, the speed of the iPhones still bests any Android phone due to the Apple CPU being almost twice the speed of the fastest Android processor.

The whole point of this suit was that Qualcomm was refusing to license its chip patents even though they had placed them in the standard. If they did not want to license the chip designs, they should not have designated them as part of the standard, and kept it only to the basics.

Qualcomm does not own the patents for LTE or 5G and to use those, they must license them from the SEP pool, just like everyone else. . .

12 posted on 05/24/2019 8:07:33 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: Locomotive Breath
Well then, I invite you to provide to me the specific numbers of these patents. If you mean there's a common communication protocol then that's true.

The list of patents in the Standard Essential Patent pool for cellular communications would be meaningless to you. There are over 350,000 currently active cell phone patents and of them about ~30% are Standard Essential Patents, many of which are covered by joint license agreements for which one license covers a large group of patents in a product owned by the holder. In cellular communications in 2016, one study found there were 2,552 FAMILIES or categories of SEPs alone, in which SEP patents are sorted.

To put that in perspective, there are over 115,000 families of SEPs for digital communications patents. The cellular SEPs are a subset of that. . . These are all maintained by international standard setting organizations (ISSO) in each industry. These were formed by industry manufacturers to avoid the kind of chaos that exemplified the early electronics industry when various brands tried to establish their own makes as incompatible standards in very competitive markets and none could survive as no one would cede ground to another competitors’ choices.

In the ‘70s and early ‘80s there were five completely incompatible large scale full length movie disk systems from major makers, MCA, Sony and Pioneer LaserDisc, RCA capacitance disks, an actual grooved system with stylus, JVC VHD cartridge—another capacitance system, and a French magnetic disk system. The studios tried but could not produce content for all of them. The most successful was LaserDisc, but its superior format did not survive the war. Then came the smaller Sony Blu-ray v. Toshiba HD-DVD war. . . Which was won by Blu-ray. There is now an ISSO with a SEP pool for Blu-ray.

13 posted on 05/24/2019 8:58:19 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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