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To: Kaslin

The left in one country can be the right in another. That’s the problem with those labels. The words, “left” and “right” are only objective when talking about hands, etc.

When it comes to politiclal beliefs, one needs more descriptive labels. e.g. Classical Liberal, Republican, socialist, fascist, communist, democrat, etc.


14 posted on 05/20/2019 7:09:38 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf
The fascists and national socialists always called themselves the left. There is nothing even in other countries that is considered on “the right” having to do with centralizing the means of production and forcing the populace into an atheist-based anti-family ideology.
15 posted on 05/20/2019 7:15:23 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: cuban leaf

To those who understand, most of us are classically liberal.

I recently told an old leftist whacko acquaintance with whom I hadn’t talked to in years that I am the most liberal person I know, and he said, “No you’re not,” and proceeded to list some of his more recent brainwashed bigoted activities. Fortunately, we were on the phone, or he might have been moved to violence by my barely controlled laughter.


17 posted on 05/20/2019 7:21:45 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: cuban leaf
The left in one country can be the right in another.

The left in one era can be the right in another. There was much overlap between the Jacobins of the French Revolution and the Nazis and fascists of the 20th century, but where Robespierre was considered left, Hitler and Mussolini were considered right.

Sometimes "left" and "right" don't make much sense. You might have heard the expression "to the right of Louis XIV" (or "to the right of Attila the Hun"). Attila wasn't on the right in his day, and you'd have to do a lot of pondering to figure out if Louis XIV was.

That’s the problem with those labels. The words, “left” and “right” are only objective when talking about hands, etc.

Very true. People want to absolve themselves of bad historical associations, so today's leftists think of the left as kindly, tolerant, pacifist, vegetarian, multicultural. Everything that Robespierre and Lenin weren't (and even today's liberals aren't particularly tolerant of ideas they disagree with).

People on the right associate the right with constitutional democratic or capitalist forms and ideas that don't have much to do with the European right of Metternich and Bismarck. If you were a German rightist in the 1930s you didn't have a very positive view of representative democracy, and your view of capitalism was likely to be very conflicted.

When it comes to politiclal beliefs, one needs more descriptive labels. e.g. Classical Liberal, Republican, socialist, fascist, communist, democrat, etc.

Maybe. But if you were a classical liberal in the 1930s you were likely to get caught in the crossfire between the violent mobs fighting for control. That's why people say Hitler was on the right. Communism defined the left and the Nazis were fighting the communists in the streets. Classical liberals were few and were at home figuring out where everything went wrong.

31 posted on 05/20/2019 5:12:46 PM PDT by x
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