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To: DiogenesLamp

‘Based on his actions, he clearly had no intention of achieving that end when he started the war.’

you are aware that the Corwin amendment was initiated and signed by James Buchanan, right...? Lincoln simply stated his intent not to oppose it...

‘If it was all about slavery, why didn’t they take the deal?’

you need to ask that question...? because, flatly stated, they did not trust the free states; because while the north lacked the authority to outright abolish slavery, they went about disrupting it by ancillary methods...the south simply figured a deal with the regarding slavery was not worth the paper it was written on...

rejecting the deal was the south’s decision; as such, the amendment, conceived in stupidity by a desperate president and poorly presented to the states, was a colossal failure...Lincoln’s involvement in it was entirely marginal, but don’t let that fact deter you as you continue to ‘educate’ us...


27 posted on 05/17/2019 9:57:02 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: IrishBrigade
you are aware that the Corwin amendment was initiated and signed by James Buchanan, right...? Lincoln simply stated his intent not to oppose it...

Making excuses for Lincoln. No, he went *WAY* beyond not opposing it, he advocated that it be made "express and irrevocable."

you need to ask that question...? because, flatly stated, they did not trust the free states; because while the north lacked the authority to outright abolish slavery, they went about disrupting it by ancillary methods...the south simply figured a deal with the regarding slavery was not worth the paper it was written on...

A fair conjecture, and quite possibly true. Whatever the right you are trying to keep, such as the right to keep and bear arms, Liberals are always trying to undermine it through "disrupting it by ancillary methods".

But there was no way they could outright abolish slavery in the USA. It was simply beyond possibility, and even Lincoln said he had no power to change it where it existed.

rejecting the deal was the south’s decision; as such, the amendment, conceived in stupidity by a desperate president and poorly presented to the states, was a colossal failure...

It was a colossal failure at it's presumed objective, which was to convince the Slave states that their rights to own slaves would be protected in the USA. But again, why did they want those states anyway? Did they want them *because* they had slavery? Or was it something else?

Lincoln’s involvement in it was entirely marginal, but don’t let that fact deter you as you continue to ‘educate’ us...

Lincoln had no power and no role in amending the Constitution. The fact that he supported this amendment says more about his willingness to sell-out what people thought was a inviolable principle for him, says more about what sort of person he was than it does about anything else.

It makes him look like someone who would do anything for a deal, and yes, he was very much a wheeler dealer. He used bribes, intimidation, and any other method of which he could think to get the 13th amendment passed.

Seward was his Secretary of State because Lincoln wanted his support after Lincoln stole the primary election from him.

33 posted on 05/17/2019 10:59:27 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no o<ither sovereignty.")
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