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1 posted on 05/17/2019 6:27:38 AM PDT by Kaslin
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Judicial Precedent is a garbage construct. Left wingers want to believe once you have a ruling you like, you can’t overturn it.. which is nonsense.

If the ruling was wrong it should be overturned. Period.


2 posted on 05/17/2019 6:29:32 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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The left has never respected precedent unless it could serve as a springboard for advancing their cause.


4 posted on 05/17/2019 6:32:18 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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OT, but what’s happened to all the IBD articles you used to post? You seem to have moved to AT and TH and given up on IBD.


8 posted on 05/17/2019 6:44:24 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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Posted by yesthatjallen 4/7/2019:

The problem is PRECEDENT.

Democrats always ask for wiggle-room on issues like illegal immigration.

Once they get their exception, they argue PRECEDENT to bypass laws, rules, and traditions.

Once the camels' nose gets under the tent, the tent collapses.

NEVER ALLOW DEMOCRATS TO ESTABLISH "PRECEDENT".

(Never be “reasonable” - because what’s reasonable one day is status quo the next day and forever.)

Precedent

11 posted on 05/17/2019 7:12:45 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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Plessy v Ferguson overturned by Brown v Board of Education.


12 posted on 05/17/2019 7:14:38 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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Someone at American Thinker had been trolling me here on FreeRepublic - LOLL. it can’t possible be that “great minds think alike”. Further LOL.

There is zero constitutional mandate demanding the use of the construct of judicial precedent. It is purely an insttitional construct of some classes of American jurists.

It’s beginning is an exhortation to lower courts to “not attempt rulings that are contrary to case rulings the Supreme Court has already made”. Why?

The pretense is the “we have already ruled differently” with that “we” meaning “the Supreme Court”. In truth and reality it is never that “the Supreme Court” has already ruled and only that a majority of justices on the court at one time or another have ruled.

So the real protection attempted by the exhortation to lower courts to not rule differently than was determined in some earlier case before the Supreme Court, is not to in fact protect “the Supreme Court” as an institution, but to protect ONLY those Supreme Court judges that ruled a certain way in a certain case.

The Supreme Court while having and enjoying its separate powers and responsibilities should not see itself differently than does the Presidency and Congress in terms of the derivation of its powers and any mandate it has.

Each Presidency and each Congress has only two mandates - one to the Constitution, and one to the choice of the people to place it into office. Neither has any mandate to continue to support decisions made by prior Presidential adminsitrations or prior sesssions of Congress. Each presidency is a new one, and each sesssion of Congress is a new Congress.

The Supreme Court justices derive their mandate from the Constitution most of all AND the choices of the Presidents with concurrence from the Senate that placed them in their office. Each session of the Supreme Court ought to see itself as a new Supreme Court, with zero mandate to uphold any decision made by any prior Supreme Court.

Yes, it is totally appropriate to look at the arguments that gained a majority of concurrences with other justices in the decision in a previous case. That review has no mandate that those arguments must be accepted. They are there for the justices to consider, only to consider. Their own judgement is constituitionally appropriate for weighing whether they agree, or disagree with a prior ruling and the arguments from which that ruling was obtained. They - the justices - are NEW Supreme Court, with each new session, and the Constitution and the people are expecting them to act like one, and not act like robots programmed to follow past justices, including following in what they now believe to be past errors.

Stare decisis is an error. The sooner it dies, the better.


14 posted on 05/17/2019 7:26:50 AM PDT by Wuli
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The problem is when “precedent” is used in lieu of accepted law.

It can be used as a tool to show the court (judge and jury) a similar situation has come up before and was decided a certain way but that doesn’t end the conversation; just that there might be a time saving “precedent” to look at. It’s not written law or the end all be all. Just another tool, maybe a time saving tool, maybe not.

I think the author is looking at big decisions like R v W as settled law as a precedent and there’s a strong case considering what it took to make that decision. I’m not arguing for R v W or against it; just saying that level of precedent does matter but it’s not settled law unless it goes through congress, gets appealed, then gets ruled on by SCOTUS. Even then it isn’t part of our US Constitution so until the day of ratification comes and this is, or isn’t, ratified one way or the other into the Bill of Rights; it can be changed back and forth endlessly.

This is why the pud pounding left is so wrong on gun control. The Bill of Rights plainly states the government has no right to infringe on our God given natural right to self protection through the use of firearms. There is no wiggle room. It’s a stated fact in our laws. As a country built on the foundation of law; this matters greatly.


17 posted on 05/17/2019 8:11:26 AM PDT by Boomer (One can be an American or a Democrat but never both; not since Zero was elected anyway.)
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