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Despite Measles Warnings, Anti-Vaccine Rally Draws Hundreds of Ultra-Orthodox Jews
The New York Times ^ | May 14, 2019 | Kimiko de Freytas-Tamura

Posted on 05/15/2019 5:28:46 AM PDT by FewsOrange

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To: dp0622

So make sure you vaccinate any babies in your family. (Or if too young sequester them). The nanny state has enough power over our liberties.


21 posted on 05/15/2019 6:17:27 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: FewsOrange

Immigrants and travelers are the source of the measles, NOT the anti-Vaxxers!


22 posted on 05/15/2019 6:19:53 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Jewbacca
Lots of Hasidic groups are very strange and should not be considered reflective of the Jewish people or even Orthodox.

Great Hats though!

23 posted on 05/15/2019 6:20:33 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

“Orthodox Jews tend to be pretty intelligent people.”

Yes, but also very weak-willed.


24 posted on 05/15/2019 6:20:48 AM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and Americans!.)
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To: DoodleBob
You've covered the issue very well there.

Vaccinations are a challenging issue from a moral/ethical standpoint because there are solid arguments to be made on both sides. The numerous cases of devastating epidemics throughout human history are compelling support for the argument that government has a legitimate role in using "invasive" preventive measures to protect the general public. On the other hand, there is a legitimate question about just how invasive the government should be in situations where the disease in question may be more of a nuisance than a deadly threat.

Interestingly, I'm not sure this underlying question is really the heart of the matter in this particular case. There are unique circumstances in a religious community like the one mentioned here -- the issue of "public health" tied to funding instead of protection, for example -- that add a whole different dimension to the matter.

25 posted on 05/15/2019 6:29:16 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Out on the road today I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac.")
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To: G Larry
Immigrants and travelers are the source of the measles, NOT the anti-Vaxxers!

This particular case is one where the groups actually intersect.

The ultra-Orthodox Jews described here probably could have lived outside the public eye for decades even though they never got any vaccinations against measles. What disrupted this whole thing was the frequent travels of some of them between the U.S. and Israel. Once a single traveler was exposed to measles in the Middle East and brought it back to New York City, the entire community of unvaccinated people was at risk.

26 posted on 05/15/2019 6:32:21 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Out on the road today I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac.")
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To: FewsOrange

Suuuure, because all doctors, even Jewish ones, have the good vaccines stored in cabinet A and cabinet B is what is used only for Hasidim patients.


27 posted on 05/15/2019 6:53:18 AM PDT by bgill (when you badmouth women, you are badmouthing your mama and the good women on FR)
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To: Alberta's Child
Thank you, FRiend.

Having worked in NYC for a long time and being familiar with the area in this article I am very familiar with the undertones and you have really hit it in the head. I *do* believe this is less about disease and more about a whole host of issues.

For what it's worth, a few years ago there was a measles outbreak in Ohio that was attributed largely to an Amish community. The outcome there was much different due, IMHO, to the local government and the community working (albeit a bit warily) with each other. It is telling to me that the tone here is quite different.

Thank you again.

28 posted on 05/15/2019 6:58:22 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: Vaquero

It isn’t just the young who are at risk. People who cannot get vaccinated due to an immune system problem (such as organ transplant recipients) would be in a bad way if they got the measles.

Normally, I am against government forcing people to do anything, and the Gardasil vaccine should not be mandatory, but measles, pertussis, etc. are different. They are highly contagious, and people do die from these diseases. If someone doesn’t want to be vaccinated or have their kids vaccinated, then perhaps they should live apart from the rest of the population. If they were only risking themselves, it would be different.


29 posted on 05/15/2019 7:14:08 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ("Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods." ~ H.L. Mencken)
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To: FewsOrange
According to the liberal elites, measles is making a comeback purely because of those parents who refuse to vaccinate.

There's no mention at all about the diseases brought into this country by the invasion of illegals.

Remember when Obama's CDC refused to release the locations of where illegal children where being placed right at the same time outbreaks were happening at remote/supposedly unrelated schools across the nation?

30 posted on 05/15/2019 8:27:30 AM PDT by HandBasketHell
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To: kara37
You should rethink that statement. That would pretty much get rid of all religious freedoms.

Think about it for a moment. You appear to be saying that it is OK to impose a religious belief or practice upon others. And I don't think that is what you meant.

31 posted on 07/11/2021 11:34:03 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Militia to the border! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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