Posted on 05/12/2019 9:37:12 AM PDT by Kaslin
Research “Are sanctions an act of war”. I just did, again. They are.
Nicoláe Ceausescu did essentially the same thing for four decades in Romania... he similarly beat the populace down to a deadened pulp and disarmed them. Yet, in 1989, the people rose up and - with the help of the Army’s rank and file - took Ceausescu down in relatively short time. The difference is, the people wanted out of that miserable existence. I’m not seeing that with Venezuela.
The point I was trying to make is that in the case of Japan, cutting off resources, strangulation if you will, precipitated war.
Iran however will not attack America I don’t think. Iran will attack Israel or Saudi Arabia or the UAE.
And I have little doubt Americans are anymore popular there now than they were then. There’s no evidence the Venezuelans want to turn away from socialism; they’re just longing for Chavez.
Yup, we got are own problems trying to hang on to our own freedom!
“Can’t we get a covert team in there to knock off Maduro and make it look like the locals did it?”
We could, but why? If the Venezuelans aren’t inclined to do it, why should we?
Japan was headed on a course for war long before any action by the US. The only question was whether they would fight Russia or us.
Yeah, I researched it too. You liked the ones by Paulistas like yourself, but I guess you ignored results you didn’t like.
It’s a TRAP!!!!
Perhaps a better description of us should be that we're Eisenhower Republicans, opposed to the military-industrial complex.
“The people of Saudi Arabia live under a more fearful dictatorship than Venezuala. In Venezuala you’re free to go to church. Not so in Saudi. But Freepers are fixated on overthrowing Venezuala, with no comparable concerns about Saudis. I smell double standard”
Double standard? I don’t think so. Most people in Saudia Arabia are muslims and have no problem getting to their mosque. They also aren’t starving in Saudia Arabia as is the case in VZ. In addition VZ is much closer to home. The situations are quite different.
Having said that ... I don’t support meddling in VZ because I think it’s important for the world to see communism overthrown if that’s even possible. Installing some US puppet is not that instructive.
Also — as others have stated — we might be just replacing one socialist with another.
“” “” Double standard? I don’t think so. Most people in Saudia Arabia are muslims and have no problem getting to their mosque. They also aren’t starving in Saudia Arabia as is the case in VZ. In addition VZ is much closer to home. The situations are quite different.”” “”
Venezuela was rich when Chavez took power. It was still rich for a long time during his presidency.
Government propaganda in Venezuela says the troubles are consequences of the US sanctions and CIA sabotage.
US officials on all levels are saying about ‘strangulating the regime’ read Venezuela.
An average Venezuelan listening to US statements believes government propaganda as true.
Now we also have Guaidó who first claimed military behind him which proved wrong. Now he is sitting in a foreign embassy demanding US military to bomb his country and you believe he has popular support?
You are basically forcing the people of Venezuela to choose between a Communist they know and another Communist they don’t know anything about other than that he is a puppet of a hostile foreign power which has empoverished and wants to bomb them.
I don’t see a bright future would Guaidó prevail. They love socialism in Venezuela and don’t see it as their problem. They used to blame US for their problems. One thing for sure US would own the result in any intervention. It already is in a sense. Let’s also look into a violence which was allegedly a ‘red line’ I mean police vehicles ramming the Guaidó supporters. What would be the reaction when it would be found that CIA or Guaidó provocateurs were behind the wheels?
Polls show 69% of the people want Maduro gone.
Awesome. Let’s cheer them on whenever they decide the energy’s right to dump him.
And I’d like to know how many of that 69% simply pine for Hugo Chavez.
True - but, in a way, we set the guy up by declaring, along with other countries, that we recognized him as the rightful President of Venezuela...
100% of the polls said Hillary would win.
What does what some fake poll in Venezuela have to do with the United States? We've got the enemy inside the wire, and you want something done about a fake poll in a foreign country?
“These countries need to do this themselves!!”
Yes. As KT McFarland told Varney, “These people need to own their revolution”. I figure if they do it themselves they’ll appreciate freedom more and take bigger risks to maintain it.
Why don’t you calm down? Trump has not sent even one US soldier to Venezuela as far as you or I know. Likely he won’t.
Maduro needs to go and we need to support efforts to get rid of him. Food shortages and power outages are driving hordes of desparate refugees across the border into neighboring countries who probably don’t have the resources to take care of them. It could lead to destabilization of the region.
I dont know about you but I don’t want Russia building a military base in our hemisphere. Especially in the most oil rich country. China and Cuba are swarming there also.
So far Trump is using a combination of diplomacy and rhetoric to try to get Maduro to leave. If Gauido fails hopefully another stronger opponent will emerge. We need to keep the pressure up.
All I can say is THANK GOD for the Darien Gap.
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