[DiogenesLamp]

So what? Buying and selling human beings like cattle is evil. Anyone who practices, supports, benefits from, or excuses slavery is evil. The Confederacy was evil because it practiced and profited from slavery.

Nope. You don't get to excuse the Union. Slavery remained legal in the USA longer than it did in the CSA. Slavery was actually protected by the United States Constitution. See Article IV, section 2.

The entire nation was a slave nation when it was created. All 13 states were slave states. Lincoln was going to make slavery permanent in exchange for the Southern states remaining in the Union.

How evil is that?

Anyone who excuses that is scum.

And anyone who thinks slavery is what caused the war is a fool. What caused the war was the Southern states leaving with their money, and no longer letting New York and Washington get their share of it.

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[BroJoeK]

stinkerpot65: "So what?
Buying and selling human beings like cattle is evil.
Anyone who practices, supports, benefits from, or excuses slavery is evil.
The Confederacy was evil because it practiced and profited from slavery."

DiogenesLamp: "Nope.
You don't get to excuse the Union.
Slavery remained legal in the USA longer than it did in the CSA.
Slavery was actually protected by the United States Constitution. See Article IV, section 2."

And still more nonsense from DiogenesLamp!

In fact, after the 1776 Declaration of Independence Northern states began immediately to abolish slavery such that by the 1787 Constitution Convention, only two had not yet started -- New York & New Jersey, and they soon did.
So, slavery exists in the Constitution only because some Southern states demanded it, would not have a United States without it.
Northern states submitted to Southern demands and kept submitting continuously until secession in 1861.

DiogenesLamp: "Lincoln was going to make slavery permanent in exchange for the Southern states remaining in the Union."

And the hits just keep on coming -- another Big Lie.
Corwin was one of many Democrat "compromise" proposals to keep Southern states from secession.
It was the only one not strongly opposed by Lincoln and that only because it made no real change to the status quo.
Even so, Corwin was supported by 100% of Democrats and opposed by a majority of Republicans in Congress.
Corwin was signed, not by Lincoln, but by Democrat President Buchanan.

DiogenesLamp: "And anyone who thinks slavery is what caused the war is a fool."

DiogenesLamp is both a fool and a liar.
Civil War began at Fort Sumter when Jefferson Davis ordered it "reduced".
But slavery soon became an issue in the form of "contraband of war" and by war's end Union troops were singing The Battle Hymn of the Republic:

"In the beauty of the lilies[14] Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me.
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,[15]
While God is marching on".

Yes, Virginia, it was all about slavery, no matter what they tell you.

DiogenesLamp: "What caused the war was the Southern states leaving with their money, and no longer letting New York and Washington get their share of it."

What caused Civil War was Jefferson Davis' order to "reduce" Fort Sumter.
That, says DiogenesLamp, was caused by Lincoln's "war fleet" to Charleston SC.
But Davis had much more important "other considerations" which would have launched war against Fort Sumter, regardless of Lincoln's actions.
And those "other considerations" were?

First & foremost, Virginia.
Also North Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, then potentially Kentucky, Missouri & Maryland too -- all of which refused to join Davis' Confederacy absent war against the United States.