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To: Bull Snipe
You seem to assume that only exports paid for imports.

No, I clearly said that 73% (at least) of the imports were paid for by Southern produced goods, and 27% (at most) were paid for by Northern produced goods.

As an example: from the 1860 census, the value of manufactured goods from the State of New York $378,800,000.

How much of that value was the consequence of protectionist laws that caused the South to have to buy those products at the inflated prices at which they were sold?

What would have been the value of those products if European machinery had been purchased in their stead?

Little of these manufactured items found their way to Europe. These manufactured items were sold all over North America.

What would have been the consequences to these manufacturers if the South had opened up the doors to European versions of similar products to the entire Midwest regions?

You want to talk about a powerful incentive for Northern manufacturers to go to war? There it is.

Maybe the manufacturers in New York had enough money to buy imports in the quantities represented by your Tariff graphic.

Where did they get the money to buy European goods? Only 27% (at most) could have come from their own sales to Europe. Didn't the other 73% (at least) have to somehow come from Southern production?

348 posted on 05/04/2019 11:35:50 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; Bull Snipe; Bubba Ho-Tep; DoodleDawg
DiogenesLamp: "Where did they get the money to buy European goods?
Only 27% (at most) could have come from their own sales to Europe.
Didn't the other 73% (at least) have to somehow come from Southern production?"

You repeat that endlessly, but it's still a lie, always will be.
The Cotton Confederacy produced 50% of US exports in 1860, the other 50% came from Union states & regions.
And for every dollar Southerners exported, they "imported" a dollar of Northern goods.
That's where the money came from to pay for those huge New York import numbers.

DiogenesLamp: "How much of that value was the consequence of protectionist laws that caused the South to have to buy those products at the inflated prices at which they were sold?
What would have been the value of those products if European machinery had been purchased in their stead?"

I've long said DiogenesLamp is a Marxist, but the truth here is he's worse than just Marxist, he's a globalist Democrat -- let's rip the manufacturing jobs off Americans and send them around the world to who knows where, right?

Really, why wouldn't DiogenesLamp work to elect Hillary?
That was her plan exactly -- typical Democrat.

Republicans, like our Whig & Federalist predecessors, want to put Americans first and Make America Great with our own manufacturing.

DiogenesLamp: "What would have been the consequences to these manufacturers if the South had opened up the doors to European versions of similar products to the entire Midwest regions?
You want to talk about a powerful incentive for Northern manufacturers to go to war?
There it is."

Pure fantasy, though at least expressed by some at the time.
But it could never happen unless Confederates eliminated all tariffs on imports arriving in, say, New Orleans -- and that no Confederate ever even imagined.

What Confederates needed was tariffs high enough to pay their bills, and so they started off with the old US Tariff of 1856 rates.
By the time they revised those rates in late 1861 the Union blockade had begun to take hold and so it's impossible to say what those revised rates averaged.
For certain, it was not zero, which would have been required to unleash the nightmare scenario, fantasized by DiogenesLamp, of Confederate "free trade".

508 posted on 05/05/2019 12:43:14 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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