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To: Bull Snipe
The Corwin amendment is the ultimate in “States Rights” It prohibited the Federal Government from amending the Constitution to interfere with slavery where the institution was legal. It left the decision to the states. States could outlaw slavery.

I don't think Lincoln was supporting it because he was a big proponent of states rights. I think he was supporting it because he thought it might be sufficient to get the South to remain in the Union without a fight.

It would have done nothing to have corrected the North Eastern control of their trade, the gouging of Shippers and the excessive taxation from Washington DC. There is simply no way these problems could be addressed so long as the Northern states held the majority of seats in Congress.

The fight about "expansion of slavery" was really just a fight for control of Congress. The laws as they then stood robbed the South, and the North who had the advantages in representation liked things that way.

303 posted on 05/04/2019 8:57:34 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; Bull Snipe
DiogenesLamp: "I don't think Lincoln was supporting it because he was a big proponent of states rights.
I think he was supporting it because he thought it might be sufficient to get the South to remain in the Union without a fight."

Still nonsense because:

  1. Lincoln did not "support" Corwin, he did not push for it, he merely did not strongly oppose it.
    Corwin was just one of many Democrat ideas for preserving the Union, all opposed the majority of Republicans in Congress.

  2. By the time Democrats passed Corwin and Democrat President Buchanan signed it, the Deep South had already seceded, while the Upper South & Border States were still in play.
    Corwin had no effect on the Upper South, but did help Unionists in Border States like Kentucky & Maryland.
DiogenesLamp: "It would have done nothing to have corrected the North Eastern control of their trade, the gouging of Shippers and the excessive taxation from Washington DC.
There is simply no way these problems could be addressed so long as the Northern states held the majority of seats in Congress. "

Still complete nonsense because:

  1. DiogenesLamp has never presented evidence from the time to support his claims that large numbers of Southerners cared about "correct[ing] the Northeastern control" over Southern trade.

  2. Not one of the "Reasons for Secession" documents even mentioned "gouging of Shippers" much less gave it the prominence of, for example, slavery.

  3. "Excessive taxation from Washington" was under the control of Southern Democrats almost continuously from the time of President Jefferson in 1801 until secession in 1861.

  4. In 1860 US Tariffs were as low as they had ever been:
DiogenesLamp: "The fight about "expansion of slavery" was really just a fight for control of Congress.
The laws as they then stood robbed the South, and the North who had the advantages in representation liked things that way."

And yet Southern Democrat Thomas Jefferson supported restrictions on expanding slavery (i.e., Northwest Territories) without fear of its effect on "control of Congress."

Why? Because like nearly all our Founders, Jefferson opposed slavery on moral grounds and looked for ways to restrict & abolish it, gradually.

326 posted on 05/04/2019 10:27:56 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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